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No Surprise

Bemus Point Tops County Districts Again

By Dave Emke, demke@post-journal.com
POSTED: June 9, 2009

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It's an eight-peat.

Once again, the Bemus Point Central School District has been named the top school district in Chautauqua County by Business First, which released its 2009 rankings recently.

Bemus Point was ranked 10th overall in the eight-county Western New York region by the publication, which bases its rankings on analysis of four years of test data compiled by the state Education Department. The district rating reflects the collective performance of elementary, middle and high schools - Bemus Point topped the region's middle and high schools while ranking fourth among elementary schools.

''It's an honor for the entire community to have this consistency and success,'' Al D'Attilio, Bemus Point superintendent, said. ''This is continued evidence of the strength of the program, and also the efforts of our students and the support of the community.''

There are 97 public school districts in the Western New York region, which includes Allegany, Cattaraugus, Chautauqua, Erie, Genesee, Niagara, Orleans and Wyoming counties.

Bemus Point has ranked the highest among area schools each year since 2002. D'Attilio said the district's fiscal responsibility is also to be noticed in its year-to-year high ranking.

''We have had an extremely low cost-per-student, and our cost effectiveness is very high in the Business First rankings,'' he said. ''We are running about 20 to 25 percent lower than the statewide average, and of course our tax rate is extremely low.''

Also among Business First's ''honor roll'' of school districts for the second consecutive year is the Southwestern Central School District, which was ranked 15th. Five other area school districts placed in the top half of the rankings - Chautauqua Lake was 22nd, Fredonia was 28th, Sherman was 29th, Westfield was 31st and Clymer was 47th.

Business First also generated a series of specialized ratings to further examine school performance. Sherman Central School was named the publication's biggest overachiever for the second straight year. ''Overachievement'' is based upon strong academic records with a substantial number of students living in poverty. Westfield, Clymer and Pine Valley - fifth, sixth and seventh, respectively - also placed in the publication's top 10 overachievers.

''We may not be rich, but we have strong family values,'' Tom Schmidt, Sherman superintendent, told Business First. ''Our parents really care about their children's education. There's something to be said for having everyone in a K-12 building, with the strong sense of community that it brings.''

Chautauqua Lake was honored as Business First's No. 1 school district for teacher experience. Westfield, which took the top spot in the category in 2008, settled in at No. 2. Fredonia (fifth) and Bemus Point (ninth) were also given top 10 rankings.

Clymer was honored as Business First's second-place school in the student access category, which ranks districts on students' ability to connect with teachers and other educators. Dunkirk (third), Ripley (seventh), Brocton (eighth) and Chautauqua Lake (10th) also placed in the top 10 in that category.

D'Attilio said the entire area should be proud of the level of education offered by its school districts.

''I am familiar with the school programs throughout the area, and I'm familiar with how hard staffs and administration teams and school boards work,'' he said. ''I do see comparisons that come out of the state report card information that show how effective all school districts are when you look at the total configuration of the state.''

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Harleywho
06-12-09 6:34 AM
I've come to find that Business First Rankings has some unique ways of ranking schools which don't tell the entire story. One such criteria is that of "spending per student". We've seen numerous references to this in blogs involving Panama Central for instance. An expensive part of education is BOCES for tech. trade training. I've found that Panama does NOT limit the number of students wishing to learn a trade at BOCES. Good for them. Some schools actually deny students wishing to do so because their "spending per student increases" and BFR drops. Ever try to get an electrician, plumber, gutter guy, roofer or any other type of trade person to come work at your home? Just getting them to show for estimate is a chore, let alone doing the work. We need more of those people in society. Forget the ranking sometimes. There seems to be plenty of that kind of work out there! You can make a good living doing so.

justsomegirl
06-11-09 7:25 AM
Out of curiosity, at what point do we expect the kids and parents to also do their part here? Because it's not like you can't get a good education at these schools if you want one and have the time and money to allow you study (rather than having to work a job, etc. in your spare time).

It's not like learning magically happens with no input or help from the student. They have to put in the time and effort, and while it's all fine and good to say that it's the teacher's job to inspire them, the reality is also that our culture has told them that learning should be FUN and if it isn't, they don't have to do it and it's someone else's fault.

I'm not saying there aren't a host of other issues, but the students themselves seem to be getting a free pass here and I'm not sure that is completely fair.

bobbyb
06-10-09 11:20 AM
FionaR you made a typo--Panama has 4 stars in teacher experience, 3 stars in teacher pay, and 1 star in administrative efficiency. Panama is 90th out of 97 in English! Only one school in the county has a worse overall rating. Panama has declined dramatically over the last year. The superintendent at Panama is the third or fourth highest paid super in the county (maybe higher with her new raise). From Business First "Panama is rated as a large underachiever". It's hard to get much worse, yet the super and the teachers get raises. The garage guys get their new bus, with no kids to ride it, and the provincial attitudes defend all of it, while the working people leave the district!

FionaR
06-10-09 10:40 AM
Danman has a distinct point. Panama ranks 3 out of 4 star stars for teacher experience, yet only 3 for student achievement. That doesn't mean it is necessarily the fault of the teachers, but perhaps there are extenuating circumstances that inhibit the teachers ability to teach effectively. With administrative efficiency at only a 1 out of 4, that's a distinct possibility.

Panama's cost-effectiveness is "below average." Panama has some of the highest paid teachers in the area, particularly for a small school.

JulieB
06-10-09 8:39 AM
I believe the root problem of the education system is "over-educating" our kids. That may sound ridiculous, but at our schools budget meeting in May the superintendent read off a chart of the changes in requirements for schools since the 1920's. It really was astounding. And what is more astounding is that kids are NOT smarter for it. We have added all sorts of "pork" to education removing much of the parental obligations in raising children. We are more concerned about our kids being tolerant, environmentalist, artist, biligual, athletes, etc. that we have lost the basics of education. Let's get back to the basics and get rid of the New York State Regents which is nothing but a joke.

madman
06-10-09 7:51 AM
I normally do not agree with him, but on this issue, I have to agree with danman. When you say progress is being made, and your ranking is 86, what were you last year 100?? You cannot complain about how the testing is done when every school is tested the same way, same tests, same questions, etc. The fact is, everyone starting from the teachers, the principals, the superintendant, the school board, and yes even the parents are all to blame. We have failed these kids. We are not getting the biggest bang for our buck, and until everyone in the JPS admit that and work together, we will always be in the lower part of the rankings.

danman
06-10-09 6:56 AM
I will continue to repeat, as the facts speak for themselves the schools are failing. Some of you seem to be challenged when it comes to recognizing this. The cost cannot be sustained and the product is defective.

I have in my hand a copy of my school district's performance, from the most recent Business First Report. Pizan you and Pam are part of the problem. The taxpayer and our kids are not getting what they pay for. If you can't do the job, then you should be removed. And since Pizan suggests I or someone else perform his/her duties, I rest my case.

I can only assume that hoser, pam and pizan condone and benefit from, this corrupt system. Better collect all that taxpayer money while you can. Those that pay your salaries have had enough of your ineptitude and your attitude. Continue to convince yourself that you are worth it. The rest of us know exactly what you are worth. We're not going to stop bringing attention to it.

pizan2001
06-09-09 9:54 PM
And I love it when people look at something they know nothing about and label it failure. My door is always open to you danman if you think you can do better. My kids are NOT failures no matter what the data says. The data is not flawed - it is just not an honest representation of a child's knowledge. However, since you are a blogger you must know everything there is to know about everything - at least that's how you come across. You must have had good teachers...oh wait, they were probably overpaid and too incompetent to do their jobs - you must be naturally this brilliant.

hoser48
06-09-09 9:20 PM
danman, it would be interesting to know what you do for a living and what your salary is. Maybe some people feel that you are grossly overpaid for your performance and what you do.

As I said last week, everyone thinks the other guy is overpaid and he is underpaid. Human nature. And I am not a teacher.

pamkpamk55
06-09-09 8:25 PM
Glad to hear it!! Nothing worse than compaining and then doing nothing about it. I am a taxpayer too, so I DO understand.

danman
06-09-09 8:14 PM
I am involved pam. I go to most every school board meeting and see first hand how money is being wasted. It must be so hard to believe that people with contrary views are active in the community. You have no idea.

pamkpamk55
06-09-09 7:54 PM
Oh, danman... I just couldn't resist after your last posts....I will take SOME of the credit when my students do well, and PART of the blame when they don't. I am NOT the state of New York or the union. I know you and many others don't see it that way, and as I have said before, that is your right. By the way, my school was highly ranked and is NOT even close to wealthy.(Thanks to justsomegirl for noticing!) I again strongly urge you all to get involved and visit your local school. And, if you want to visit my classroom to see some "over-achieving" students (according to Business First) and a teacher who earns her pay every day, come on over!

danman
06-09-09 6:34 PM
The schools are failing. For the amount of money that is spent, the arguing over test scores is ridiculous. At $20,000 per student annually, changes must be made. New York State has the highest spending per student in the nation.

How ironic that teachers praise themselves and the schools when the scores are good, and when the scores are bad, then the data is flawed. In this state teachers and administrators are overpaid. A simple opinion that many of us have that pay the salaries. It is called wasteful spending.

And I must say, for what they are paid, they certainly should have the answers. Educators are paid to educate, if it is too difficult, then they should find another profession and stop defending the failure.

pizan2001
06-09-09 5:06 PM
If you want a good idea of how schools are doing, they should post last year's data against this year's data. Jamestown schools showed major improvements in both English and Math. I think the public would like to know that there are improvements and educational gains - unfortunately that is not what gets printed. I agree with justsomegirl, comparing schools is like comparing apples to oranges. Show each school's individual scores and you'll get an idea of whether or not things are getting better.

justsomegirl
06-09-09 4:35 PM
I think the socioeconomic climate ranking is not necessarily the best way to judge a district, since the district wealth ratio, a measure of property and income wealth can skew the results. I think youth poverty and reduced and free lunches tells you more about the students.

Bemus Point, Fredonia, Southwestern, and Frewsburg are the only school districts with under 30% of their kids eligible for reduced price lunches.

Finally, rather than comparing the districts against each other, which gives me no real idea how big the gap is in academic achievement between two schools, just that there were X number of schools in between them, I'd rather see them ranked on a scale of 1 to 100 or something like that. The 5-star rating system in 4 subjects with no explanation for how they arrived at that is useless to me.

I want an absolute ranking, not a relative one.

FionaR
06-09-09 3:56 PM
The schools that fell the most are Silver Creek and Panama. According to the Business First publication, Panama is rated as, "a large underachiever, which means it's academic performance is worse than its socioeconomic profile would lead you to expect."

Also, "The district's rating for cost-effectiveness is below average."

pizan2001
06-09-09 3:53 PM
Have you actually seen one of the state tests? Do you know how it's graded or that the scale used by the state is not openly discussed with teachers? How the part of the test that asked the students to actually write something based on what they have read is weighed 2/3 less than the part that is multiple guess and open to so much interpretation that there are yearly objections to the state's wording of them? Did you know the students are tested in January on an English curriculum they are studying until June; that only 4 months of actual instruction goes into these scores you hold so much stock in? Not that it matters, we aren't told what's on the exam until the day the students take it; so we basically guess and hope. Did you know all mentally disabled students and students who barely speak English are given the same test and graded on the same scale as every student in NY? So keep complaining like you know what those numbers mean and if you know how to fix them, I'm all ears.

justsomegirl
06-09-09 3:10 PM
Actually, the thing the schools at the top of the list have in common is that they have some of the highest combined wealth ratios in WNY. The ones towards the bottom have the lower ones. The ones in the middle have some of the middle or lower ratios (Falconer ranked 61, Silver Creek at 71 out of 98). Out of the 98 school districts in WNY, Jamestown, Ripley, and Salamanca ranked 91, 94, and 96 respectively in combined wealth ratio.

This doesn't mean that people in those areas aren't paying the same for their schools, or that the teachers aren't great, or that the kids aren't trying. But sometimes when students come from poorer areas, they don't have as many advantages outside of school to help them along. There may also be a greater percentage of problems outside of school distracting them from their scholarship. This is not always the case--Sherman proves that this year. (Or Alfred-Almond in Allegany County--6th overall in WNY and 43 in combined wealth ratio).

JulieB
06-09-09 2:35 PM
hoser48, what "flawed" factors are being used? That's the same response I hear from our administration when they don't like the statistics being given out. When will the small schools at the bottom of the list get rid of their pride and arrogance and look into how these other schools perform so well? This publication ranks the schools on many different issues. When your school is near the bottom on most of them, it's way past time for people to be questioning the leadership. Unfortunately, most people really don't care!

danman
06-09-09 1:39 PM
The people that continually approve the school budgets, and current board members must accept some responsibility, for the dismal failure of our schools. School taxes are outrageous, teacher salaries are too high, superintendent salaries are beyond ridiculous, capital projects that cost the taxpayer millions continue to be approved by the SED, for schools with drastic student decline; and our schools are failing. People approve purchases of buses with no students to ride them. People support their superintendent whatever the degree of ineptitude and waste. We are neglecting our children, with the continued acceptance of this deplorable education system. And the defenders will say it is 'for the children'.

madman
06-09-09 1:00 PM
Pizan, I am not trying to disrespect the jobs of the teachers...I think everyone knows it is not easy...but for the money spent in this district (JPS), I think the time has come to start seeing some MEASUREABLE results...or how can the tax payers justify what they are paying in taxes..I understand the difference in type of students and avg family income between Jamestown and Southwestern or Chautauqua, but a ranking of 86 to me is unacceptable and the principal and superintendant better start to see that and react accordingly.

pizan2001
06-09-09 11:43 AM
Thanks NYNana, as a JPS teacher I appreciate that. It's amazing how much more our students learn after we're done going through the state's shopping list of "student needs." The numbers make our kids look like failures, but seeing these kids on a daily basis are a real source of pride for me. I wish the community could see what I see from them.

NYNana
06-09-09 10:56 AM
JPS at 86th, gee imagine that. Maybe if they quit blowing money and quit concentrating on preparing the kids for the mandatory testing (how many are there now?) and let teachers get back to teaching, things would improve.

For now, I have to ask, what are our tax dollars going for? Obviously, not educating our students.

bobbyb
06-09-09 9:16 AM
A drop of 14 places for Panama Central School District. Last year I believe they dropped eight or nine. A drop of more than 20 places in the last two years. I can see Kids Really Come First in Panama! What a joke!

That should bring out all the cheerleaders with their Panther Pride! Maybe we should pay the super a little more money, hire a few more of those brilliant teachers, and give them all a raise.

Hey let's look at the bright side Panama Central is not in last place, yet!

madman
06-09-09 7:57 AM
With the money JPS spends, couldn't they be higher than 78 in the rankings??

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