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Referendum Hangs Over Busti Town Hall Move

March 10, 2014

BUSTI— The threat of a public referendum is still hanging over the sale of Busti’s town hall at 121 Chautauqua Ave....

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FreeAdvice

Mar-12-14 4:07 PM

Leaving the taxpayers out of it (everyone has opinions). What I see is a Town Supervisor purchasing property from a long time business associate and striving to keep this knowledge from local people and business so not to draw attention to the dealings. People get hung up on the superficial, you really have to look a little deeper, stop being so petty and be strong enough to hold your government accountable to their behind the scenes dealing, lack of transparency, and really poor planning for future success of our community. Would it make sense to say that just maybe there are some who would like to see our government work a little better? Haven’t all of you had enough of this type of governing on the National stage? You don't have to allow it here in our own area. None of us deserve that type of governance. The methods used by our government alone deserve to generate outcry! Farmer, Fireman, Police, Shop Owner, etc. we need better integrity from our government.

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Transparency

Mar-11-14 9:12 AM

Following this story for a few weeks now, it is clearly apparent there is some confusion on the issue, both with the public and with the town board on how to proceed. The public voiced concern at an open meeting held by the town, and at the same meeting, some of the town board members urged for a clear process and exploration of options before pushing through a vote. It seems logical that the purchase and move of a community relic would welcome public discourse and an open and transparent process. There are many strategic aspects to consider in purchasing a building that represents both the Town and the Village -a building that should be a pillar of the Community. Why not seize the strategic opportunity to consider the general economic development plan for Chautauqua Ave,or create a proposal that includes the Comm building? This decision should have been presented holistically, with data, published for review,in a transparent process. Will the ref change the outcome?

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MacKenzie

Mar-10-14 10:41 PM

I also urge the Village fathers pressure the owner of the Wilson Farm building to sell it, at a reasonable price, so a new business will move in.

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MacKenzie

Mar-10-14 10:39 PM

The "out of the woodwork" crowd, aka the "dissolutionists", is simply using incrementalism to try to achieve their dream of dissolving the village. At this point, the decision of the board and Supervisor was the best.

Now, let's urge the mayor and Village board to apply for grants to fix the building.

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MacKenzie

Mar-10-14 10:31 PM

Imagine if the Town of Busti officials had opted for putting the Town offices in a remodeled village hall, which was the most expensive option. Taxes would have gone up for village and town taxpayers. The "out of the woodwork" gang would be livid, carrying on that we need to dissolve the village. The current village hall has some serious issues that need attention. Busti acted responsibly.

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Heisenberg

Mar-10-14 4:21 PM

The very reason people are "coming out of the woodwork" to oppose this is because they realize it is mistake that will have long term negative impacts on our town.

Such a groundswell of opposition should suggest to a reasonable person that maybe something here deserves a second look.

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Blackwatch

Mar-10-14 2:36 PM

wisechoice2010

is right. These people were voted in to carry out their fiduciary responsibility. Their duty is to maintain the town's resources and help the town out as they see fit.

For people to come out of the woodwork and say, there is this grant or that grant and this is cheaper than that or what have you is utter nonsense.

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Blackwatch

Mar-10-14 2:29 PM

Heisenberg

The costs of doing so are the same or less than buying and renovating Tordella.

Numbers and estimates please?

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wisechoice2010

Mar-10-14 1:35 PM

Why is it no one can voice an opinion on this issue with getting attacked saying the town is doing it wrong. The town elected people to make these decisions. No one has voiced a concern until it doesn't go along with the motive or agenda of a few of Lakewood's more vocal residents. And what do we do if the referendum is passed and this IS what the voters want. We have yet again driven a huge stake between the village and town, and a cost to the town to conduct the vote. Please don't get on a soap box and say this wont happen. It has and it will again divide the two. Funny though, this same group three years ago said that the village should leave the Caprino building and move into the town since it has so much room. Funny how we change views after there is a name on the building. And again what is the answer if it is upheld. Again those who want things there way will see THEY do not control the voters.

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Heisenberg

Mar-10-14 1:13 PM

Blackwatch - any grant that would apply to the Tordella building renovation would apply to the Caprino building renovation. Isn't it interesting that the Town left out any mention of grants except for the one option they were proposing?

It's simply ridiculous to suggest that the town needs to go buy and renovate another building. There's tons of space at the Caprino building and it can be brought into compliance with a few modifications. Then both government can work together in one place - and we end up with two business on the tax rolls.

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Blackwatch

Mar-10-14 1:04 PM

Heisenberg, You said, "In fact, more grants would apply since this is a much clearer consolidation of government"

Can you please list the Grants and the amounts that they would receive?

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Heisenberg

Mar-10-14 1:03 PM

Blackwatch - the Caprino building would be brought into compliance as part of the consolidation. The costs of doing so are the same or less than buying and renovating Tordella. Plus, you end up with two tax paying properties (credit union and Tordella) rather than one. And, you continue to promote the growth of business on chauauqua avenue rather than stifle it by taking the largest retail space off the market and tax rolls forever.

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Blackwatch

Mar-10-14 1:00 PM

Heisenberg

Your still not in compliance. Your still getting sued. So your raising taxes, decreasing services and or both.

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Heisenberg

Mar-10-14 12:48 PM

Any grants that would apply to the Tordella building would also apply to consolidating into the Caprino building. In fact, more grants would apply since this is a much clearer consolidation of government. Plus, then you would have two business on the tax rolls (credit union and the Tordella).

Also, the current rec center can stay in use. A few improvements can fix all of the issues. And, such improvements are allowed under the deed.

There is alot of misinformation floating around about this issue. Once you look a little deeper its undeniable that this move is a huge step backwards for Lakewood and totally unnecessary. There are better solutions.

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Blackwatch

Mar-10-14 12:48 PM

Heisenberg

and what of COMPLIANCE. So your going to pay the legal fees and the fine for not being compliant on the Courthouse then? Panama School District got sued over paperwork compliance for $4.9 MILLION Dollars and will now have a shortfall of $500,000 a year for the next 10 years.

So your saying its good to leave the town open to this sort of non-compliance law suit?

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Blackwatch

Mar-10-14 12:40 PM

1Diablo

What are you talking about? Lakewood generates more tax dollars than does Busti and Lakewood is IN Busti and shares services with Busti. So to try and separate the two is like taking the sugar out of cane.

I think your confusing two sides of the same coin.

Lets address the GREED thing. The cost of the new building subtract the cost of selling the old building + Government Grants to comply so the TOWN is Compliant on the court = Less cost and no new taxes.

So what does the Town get, No legal action against and new facilities, money from the sale of the old property, getting rid of the rec center nightmare and the court with no access.

That all sounds like a wonderful job our leadership is doing for us in Busti.

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Heisenberg

Mar-10-14 12:35 PM

The reason this move is angering so many people is because it is a needless expansion of government. Our population is decreasing in this area - why on earth does the town think it needs fancy new offices with room to "grow"? The village and town governments need to be doing everything they can to shrink - not expand. And, what is beyond comprehension is that the town is choosing to expand into RETAIL space and STOP a business from doing so. It may appear that this saves money on paper, today. But, that narrow minded focus ignores the opportunity cost of turning this retail property into government space.

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1Diablo

Mar-10-14 11:46 AM

Lakewood GREED!!!They need Busti tax dollars. PERIOD!!!

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Blackwatch

Mar-10-14 9:56 AM

Bustiparty, "The board never should have done what they did anyway"

So your saying that the Town should get legal action taken against them for compliance issues that it can not comply to at a cost that will raise taxes, reduce services or both for town folk? Are you saying that Busti and Lakewood should share services? Is that your agenda?

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factsout

Mar-10-14 8:59 AM

A few years ago the Town had plans drawn up to build a new Town building in Busti and you didn't hear any complaining from Village residents then. This is an attempt by the Village to get a newly remodeled building at the Town tax payers expense. How long did the Tordella building sit vacant, then as soon as the Town makes an offer to purchase it someone else wants to buy it. Sounds a little fishy. There is the vacant Wilson Farm Building available for sale which is also in a high traffic area if the Wine and String Merchant wants to purchase a building. Rudy don't turn this into another Chautauqua County Home!!

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Bustiparty

Mar-10-14 8:20 AM

No No No Let it go to the voters who will decide No No No. Let the board try to push it through again and you will have a angry community. The board never should have done what they did anyway.

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