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United Airlines To Drop Flights To And From Cleveland

February 11, 2014

The Jamestown Airport will soon have to find another carrier to provide flights to and from Cleveland. Just six days after Sen....

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carlaw

Feb-14-14 12:30 PM

George knows the facts. Yeah George!

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GeorgeC

Feb-13-14 8:21 AM

Hats off to our leaders who understand that Jamestown needs air service. (cont'd below)

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GeorgeC

Feb-13-14 8:18 AM

There's no need for panic. This will all work out, and air service will continue from the Jamestown airport. (cont'd below)

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GeorgeC

Feb-13-14 8:17 AM

And no, Chicken Little, the sky is not falling. (cont'd below)

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GeorgeC

Feb-13-14 8:16 AM

Now that Cleveland will no longer be a United hub, Jamestown needs flights to another hub. This is just like when Pittsburgh was no longer a USAirways hub: Jamestown needed flights to another hub. (cont'd below)

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GeorgeC

Feb-13-14 7:52 AM

Don't believe the usual naysayers, especially those who don't want air service from Jamestown: United's decision is no reflection on the Jamestown airport. It just means Jamestown will need flights to another hub.

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Catman

Feb-11-14 10:05 PM

The elimination of the Cleveland hub is a big blow to Jamestown Airport's survival. The airport isn't big enough for larger planes and there aren't enough passengers to justify further expansion.

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Renaldo

Feb-11-14 8:32 PM

I hope eventually we give up on the airport, and like another post indicated, we instead have free parking with car rentals and bus service with shuttles to the nearby airports like Buffalo. Unfortunately, a lot of money has been invested at the airport, maybe it could continue to be used for other uses besides passenger flight.

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carlaw

Feb-11-14 8:02 PM

Samaliar "every time"??? It happened once because your attack was vile and abusive. Your opinions about the subject matter are one thing but personal attacks on people or other bloggers don't help the problem and hurt people and their families. Why do that?

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Mustangkid2003

Feb-11-14 6:03 PM

What will be nice is that without an airport Jamestown will become a good candidate for stashing people in the witness protection program.

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samsaliar

Feb-11-14 5:21 PM

I warned you all about this guy..its all about him.and his ego.oops..hope carlaw don't report me for abuse..thats right everytime I speak my opinion carlaw threatens to report me for abuse..the truth of the matter is ,its a part time job for a reason.the airport is what it is ..its a small town,with the need of a fight now and again,,lets dump this and move on..please!!!!!!

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Bustiparty

Feb-11-14 1:36 PM

Guess it is time for a shuttle bus to Buffalo with free parking at the airport.

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Bustiparty

Feb-11-14 11:15 AM

The parks/airport manager should keep his mouth shut. I would think he would be concerned about service and not say he is not worried. He should not have the job. The present service may be good for ninty days but you cannot make your flights for the summer since you do not know where the flight from Jamestown will be going too. Guess it is best to just make a flight from Buffalo or Cleveland and forget about flying out of Jamestown. I do agree with the writer who said the Post Journal could have done a article in detail but they were too lazy to seek the facts. The paper will someday go the way of the airport.

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hacksbgone

Feb-11-14 10:33 AM

Maybe we should paint a big I Love Lucy mural on the runway and make the airport a tourist attraction. The airport is missing one key element to make it a viable resource: A populous, vibrant and economically important geographic location. Really folks, you can market and cajole all the carriers you want. It's not going to amount to anything in this depressed area that has a major airport within an hour and a half drive. I think most folks would rather fly out of a full-service airport on large jets rather than step onto one of those tiny commuter planes.

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danyay

Feb-11-14 10:30 AM

(cont)

Detroit is the only airport within range of the Beechcraft 1900s or Saab 340s that will be flying out of JHW. You won't be flying into a slot controlled Northeast Corridor. Cleveland is shuttered. Pittsburgh was a decade ago. Cincinnati will be within 5 years. Washington Reagan (stupid idea anyway) was divested.

So the next time you sit back and think you've figured out the solution, and not just "hehe let's fly to Albany! Then we can take those mythical nonexistent connecting flights from there!", please let me know.

Oh, and please let the airport manager/Jones and Gifford Park Groundskeeper know about it.

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danyay

Feb-11-14 10:27 AM

Tom, you haven't a clue what you are talking about.

Someone dedicated to developing passenger and recreational travel at an airport can more than pay for their own salary when working full time to increase options for local travelers. Duplication? Why not just have the Mayor run the airport too?

Do you even know how the airline hub and spoke model works? As I said, flights to Washington Reagan is not an option - US Airways divested 104 of their slots to Southwest and JetBlue during the merger with American Airlines. Do you think Southwest is going to fly 143 seat 737-700s from JHW with <10 passengers per day? Of course not.

Fly to Cleveland, Buffalo, or Albany? For what purpose? As I mentioned, which you didn't refute one way or another, there ARE no flights with timetables at those airports designed for connecting passengers. They are feeder flights to the airlines' hubs. You won't fly to Cleveland at 4am. (cont)

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tomtees

Feb-11-14 8:57 AM

The article notes that flights and airlines have been dropped in the past, yet the airport continues (and has improved this year!)

It's easy for someone to take potshots at the guy who manages Chautauqua County's parks and airports (and why wouldn't the county have the same person oversee them? Would "dan" want one for parks and one for airports, so he could complain about duplication?

As for another airport as a destination, having the OPINION that Detroit is better doesn't MAKE it better. Larger airports like Cleveland, Buffalo, Washington, etc. provide longer-range flights to distant destinations that cannot be reached by commuter-type planes. Yes, you'll probably have to wait, since scheduling is not designed to revolve around one traveler.

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danyay

Feb-11-14 8:41 AM

(cont)

Same thing with Buffalo or Albany. Are you going to cater to business travelers (ha!) with a 4am flight to a non-hub? Or think leisure travelers want to take a 6:30am flight to Buffalo, wait in the Buffalo airport for 5 hours to then hop on a Southwest flight to Florida at 11:45am? Free parking doesn't matter for business travelers, and connecting schedules will never work for the scattered-throughout-the-day leisure flights.

The only option here is Delta in Detroit. US Airways was forced to divest many slots in Washington Reagan, so Jamestown isn't going back there (what a waste, anyway, for a national slot-controlled airport to be a hub for airports that serve <10 people per day). And the NYC airports, also being slot controlled, are even less likely.

Jamestown, if you get commercial air travel again (you shouldn't), it had better be to Detroit. Period.

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danyay

Feb-11-14 8:38 AM

It's too bad the PJ didn't do any research on the subject whatsoever, and even worse that the "parks and airports" manager (whaaa?) has no clue.

Yes, United dropped its hub in Cleveland. Jamestown lost their flight, but so did Erie. This issue is independent from the impending EAS shutdown (or postponement) that has been percolating for a while.

Since Cleveland's hub is being shut down, it's pointless to find an "alternate carrier" to fly there. Are their throngs of Jamestowners dying to fly round-trip to Cleveland? No, it was for connecting traffic. Now, those connection flights are gone. Cleveland will be set up just like Buffalo - early morning feeder flights to hubs (6-8am), for late morning feeder flights to other regional airports (9-11am). So, what does the "parks manager" have in mind for this? A 4am flight to Cleveland, only to connect through and go to Chicago? (cont)

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mrinbetween

Feb-11-14 7:37 AM

The writing is on the wall.

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