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Domestic Violence Plagues Jamestown

Nearly Half Of County Cases Come From City

January 5, 2014

Although domestic violence is hardly unprecedented in Chautauqua County, a slew of recent — and seemingly bizarre — incidents has placed a fresh spotlight on this serious and all-too-recurring......

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MacKenzie

Jan-12-14 8:49 PM

You have to quit looking outside of yourself and stop blaming everyone else, except yourself.

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MacKenzie

Jan-12-14 8:47 PM

Emmy, there are alot of places for victims to get assistance. Some of these people are their own negative attitudes...and I can't change that and either can you.

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MacKenzie

Jan-12-14 8:45 PM

Emelye, people make their own choices. I have seen very poor people, with horrendous circumstances, rise above their situation and become successful. Is it easy? No. But, it happens. Which gives me hope. I worked with these domestic violence "victims". But, if you keep making self-destructive decisions, sorry, I can't help you. It's called choice.

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Emelye

Jan-07-14 2:18 PM

MacKenzie, if you think that negative cultural attitudes and prejudicial beliefs do not obfuscate the solution to many of our social problems then you really are blind.

In addition, your comment accusing me of writing, "that someone else's 'privilege' or 'attitude' causes some guy to beat up his 'woman' or some woman to beat up her "guy'" is a fabrication and totally misses the point I was making. I'm not sure if you set up this straw man accidentally or on purpose but it certainly doesn't address what I wrote at all.

Cultural attitudes and social beliefs influence policy. Policy influences how people are treated, particularly people who are on the margins. When we blame poor people for their own misery, since this blame is usually misplaced, we hinder the development of solutions that actually work.

People use attitudes and beliefs to justify their selfishness and greed. Then they use the same to justify not helping those who are worse off than they are.

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MacKenzie

Jan-06-14 8:38 PM

Emelye, if you really think that someone else's "privilege" or "attitude" causes some guy to beat up his "woman" or some woman to beat up her "guy", you really are delusional.

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Emelye

Jan-06-14 3:33 PM

If anyone ever tells me that racism and prejudice against poor people, racial and sexual minorities is over, I'll send them a link to this discussion thread to prove otherwise.

Ironically, these attitudes help perpetuate social problems like domestic violence by shifting the blame to where is doesn't really lie. If you want to know how to start making real progress against things like DV, start checking and changing your own privilege and attitudes first!

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NotforProfiter

Jan-06-14 9:59 AM

You don't hear about women abusing men as often because it doesn't happen as often and because it's not the same. This comment drives me nuts. When 1 out of 3 men are abused in their lifetime then yes a comment like that would be appropriate. Men are victims. Men are abused. All victims should receive justice, regardless of gender. However, it's not part of institutional inequality, power, privilege and all the other things that men take for granted (e.g. walking down the street without getting sexually harassed).

Also, if you read this terrible article you'd see that a male victim was mentioned.

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nytx33

Jan-06-14 7:54 AM

Just look back at a recent trial in AZ. Nice guy gets mixed up with crazy lady. The number of young men being abused is under reported. Some young women like to push buttons.

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1Roxie

Jan-06-14 7:07 AM

I worked with victims in the past and I found the minute you began to judge their decisions on how to handle what they are going through you lost them - they became defensive and distant. You can't judge, chastise or try to force someone to do what you think is right. You can be there, give them every possible option, stay in contact with them and show them the help that is out there.It's a fine line between victims accepting the help offered and not offending or pushing them away.

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jhsparent3

Jan-06-14 7:02 AM

i live a nice stret in jamestown not much for police action but there is a lot of domestic fighting going on.that no one calls about because they don't want the snooty neighbors to know about.yes people with money and good jobs beat there wives and children just like people with nothing to there name do.it's just no one talks about it.must of the well off people on my street are drunk and fighting by 6:30pm because they come home from there good jobs and drink!also teaching there children that drinking is ok everyday.my favorite part is when there kids do drink they have the money to get them out of any trouble they might get in and the only thing all you GOOD people read about in the paper is the people that don't have the money to keep them selves orthere kids names out of the paper!

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MacKenzie

Jan-05-14 10:39 PM

It's just soooooooooo difficult to imagine that Jamestown has such a high number of domestic violence cases. When a woman has 5 kids with 5 different "baby daddies" and a man has 5 different kids with 5 different "baby mommas" and they share one child in common, what could go wrong? Throw in some drugs and alcohol, add those who enjoy the "drama" of self-made problems, and those who live off the system and have lots of idle time, its the perfect recipe for domestic disasters.

Of course, not all domestic violence falls into the above categories. There are some horrible domestic situations that go across the socio-economic spectrum.

The breakdown of the family is key. But, no one cares. People form fleeting relationships in which produce children long before they find out what the person, with whom they are procreating, is really like.

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randomthinker

Jan-05-14 9:06 PM

RealAmerican - Jamestown also has a daily fashion show of sweats, pajama bottoms and slippers.

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Helives

Jan-05-14 1:25 PM

Ms. Bracey I cannot believe that you said, "I never begrudge anyone for staying..." Does this mean that even if the victim and children could be KILLED by the abuser?!!!!

What are you thinking?!!!!!! The victim (and kids) should be encouraged to flee the abuser at any and all costs!!!!

I beg you, please rethink your strategy.

Domestic violence is NO JOKE!!!

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RealAmerican

Jan-05-14 12:22 PM

Sheesh here we go with the "All Jamestown has to offer is welfare, booze and drugs". Did you forget this is on the World Wide Web, where everyone can see? Surprised the PJ hasn't taken off these posts, fearing what it may do to tourism/potential new residents.

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michaelg

Jan-05-14 12:09 PM

Bottom line,crime is not prejudice,sometimes people fall to the ignorance of the race thing and in this day and age,the race thing is soo played out.Crime is committed because a person chooses to break the law,no matter of race,financial background,age,etc.. So blaming a certain race or the poor or rich or whatever isn't going to solve anything,and yes as a tax payer I get frustrated but instead of pointing fingers I just look at a solution

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peoplercrazy

Jan-05-14 11:06 AM

To Notforprofiter - you are right, domestic violence is not limited to the poor or those on public assistance. But I think even you would have to admit that living in poverty is highly stressful. Poverty, stress, lack of opportunity, combine to hem people into tough situations. Throw in poor life skills, bad decisions, and drug use and these people are truly locked into a seemingly hopeless situation. It may take years to unravel the maze, if they even seek help to begin with. Meanwhile, their kids are growing up in this life the parent created, learning the life skills, or lack of, they see demonstrated by the parent every day. Who should we help first?

My first comments were harsh, but I stand by them. I'm what others describe as very liberal, but can't deny what I see with my own eyes, reason it away, or excuse others behaviors for the sake of political correctness.

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1Roxie

Jan-05-14 10:59 AM

I see nowhere in the article where it states the violence is due to poverty. It states "financial reasons" - which obviously includes all demographics, as everyone and anyone can have financial hardship. Also in regards to the statistics being wrong wouldn't the police have the numbers as they are the ones being called to a domestic violence situation and being the ones to make a report. It did state that there are many options for help out there - it's just getting the person connected with them. The article might be disjointed in the way it is written but it definitely isn't skewed for or against any financial status or lifestyle.

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NotforProfiter

Jan-05-14 10:46 AM

Also there's nothing factual about the "Fact Box." Since when did one person's perspective become a fact? Journalistic integrity at its finest.

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NotforProfiter

Jan-05-14 10:42 AM

Domestic violence dates much further back than the 1960s. This article reads like it was written before we had quality domestic violence research. The sentiments in this town are backwards. Move somewhere else and see how those communities address domestic violence. An article like this would cause a public uproar instead of harmful conversations about poor people and parenting.

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peoplercrazy

Jan-05-14 10:24 AM

Follow up to my above comment: It may be more effective to help the children of DV families than the adults. Some of these "adults" are incredibly unmotivated. Example: A family member lived in a neighborhood full of welfare/pill heads for a short time as it was cheap rent. When I'd pick him up on summer mornings there was no one up at all. No kids, nothing. It'd still be quiet at noon. People would start waking up at 1- 2 pm and by 10-11pm the neighborhood was full of screaming unsupervised kids. Not the best place for a working person. Some of his food stamp receiving neighbors with kids didn't always have enough to get through the month (shopped at 7-11, couldn't plan enough to take cab to Aldi's once a month) but STILL wouldn't get out of bed to send their kids to nearby summer rec programs with supervision, activities, and FREE lunches. The kids might have gone if they'd known about it.

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duckster

Jan-05-14 10:21 AM

1.) early 60's...advent of the two income home....2) enter hyper consumerism followed by the break down of the nuclear family 3.) we have met the enemy and he is us..

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NotforProfiter

Jan-05-14 10:21 AM

Domestic violence does not only affect the poor or those on public assistance. These dated stereotypes are what allow patterns of violence to continue! DV transcends class and often looks different across classes and cultures. This article is a travesty and moves the conversation in the wrong direction. We're squabbling over who are deserving victims and how many calls the police get from what areas instead of focusing on inequality.

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NotforProfiter

Jan-05-14 10:14 AM

This is the the worst article on DV that I've ever read. Jamestown is not a domestic violence haven. More cases come from Jamestown because there's a bigger population than the rest of the county. There are also more options and support for women in the city versus rural areas so they're more likely to report the abuse. Also, domestic violence is the internets fault? Or are drugs and alcohol to blame? Ever think that social media is elucidating things that have already been happening? This statements in this article are dated and incorrect. It reads like an article from the late 1960s. I'd steer clear from only getting the law enforcement perspective for future articles.

This article made it seem like Jamestown is a city with a unique domestic violence problem instead of showing how the world has an inequality problem.

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DanaLT

Jan-05-14 10:03 AM

The paper used to print weekly stats of the number of police calls made with additional notes about the number of calls, maybe as many as 5 or 6 to a single address. The street I live on, made up of mostly middle class homeowners with a few apartments, hasn't had 5 or 6 police calls in the last 5 years. And yet we are the ones footing most of the bill for the need to provide police as well as fire protection to a lot of low life trash that can't behave themselves. I say either increase the taxes on those sheltering the miscreants or hit the property owners with a fee every time city employees have to come to someones aid.

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peoplercrazy

Jan-05-14 10:02 AM

Right after this story is the article titled "Poverty At Home A Big Issue For Area School Districts". Poverty is the common denominator. The type of poverty matters. There is Clymer poverty where the people are working, probably farming. Home is generally a good place, parents take an interest in raising their kids, and there is a work ethic. Then there is Jamestown poverty where many are on welfare and drinking and drugs are a part of daily life. The kids are immersed in this and grow up thinking it is normal. The only interest the "parents" have in their kids is the amount of welfare brought in. Unless something is done the domestic violence situation will continue to worsen. Kids learn by example and the behaviors happening now will get handed down to the next generation.

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