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Done Deal

City Council Comes To Terms With Police, Fire

December 31, 2013

The Jamestown Firefighters Association Local 1772 and the Kendall Club Police Benevolent Association are now under new contracts with the city of Jamestown....

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PretzelLogic

Jan-04-14 12:27 AM

No Mr. Watcher, I am not an employee of the City. I am however someone who is able through research and facts, to support my position. We live in New York State. so maybe we should look at comparable sized municipalities in NY. Let's compare Police & Fire budgets FY13'. Jamestown-$9,872,721. Auburn-$11,907,925. Elmira-$11,168,289. Ithaca-$11,513,443. Middletown-$11,052,350. Newburgh-$10,316,171. Rome-$12,427,762. To me it would appear that Jamestown is fairing comparably well. I agree with you that taxes are too high. I get it. However, I do not think it's fair nor correct to place all of the blame on those two departments.

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Watcher02

Jan-03-14 4:49 PM

Pretezel logic. I don't have a CLUE???

You must either be a COP or Firefighter to defend these outrageous salaries. These wages are insane for a town of 30k. Look around and see what the pay rates are in other states and you will see how over paid you are. That's my opinion and by printing these salaries in the paper it will let public how these 2 unions control this city

PS: I didn't even list all of the cops and firefighters that make 70K- 80k a year

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PretzelLogic

Jan-03-14 12:12 AM

Hey Watcher... You don't have a clue. Nice try with posting the salaries that you did. Unfortunately you have no idea what those salaries represent. Let me enlighten you. They happen to represent dedicated employees who perform duties above and beyond the typical workers' duties. To simply cherry pick the top salary figures without context is disingenuous at best and simply pathetic at worst. Both Police and Fire in this city are staffed well below accepted state wide standards and do the best they can with what they have.

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muggyb

Jan-02-14 10:26 AM

sickofit. I'm talking fire only. Unless the fire guys are still working a 10-14 schedule and even then you only work 18 days a month, then they are 24 on and 48 off(10 work days a month). Jamestown is one of the least expensive place to live in America. In Colorado (average home price over $250,000) firemen make about $40,000. Hell, the mayor of Denver (population 700,000) makes $80,000! The pay scale in Jamestown is WAY out of line for town that size.

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Watcher02

Jan-02-14 10:20 AM

I'm glad that most of you responding to this section are willing to pay most of these Cops and Firefighters these outrageous salaries and benefits. This is a city of 30k and losing population every year.

That's why the TAXES are at 22.10 a thousand and will keep going up to pay for these monster raises and benefits.

This city is being choked to death by both of these unions and most of you just agreeing as it's happening. Another 2.75 salary increase on a $80,000 salary is $2200 a year another 2.75 $2260. Wake up a look at the numbers.

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madman

Jan-02-14 7:56 AM

Well seadog, rarely do I say this, but you are spot on with your comments. Binding arbitration would and does kill this city budget. Good points.

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sickofit

Jan-01-14 2:14 PM

Muggyb sorry you were so young when your father died. And yes you probably did not understand the politics and economics back then. But these are different times. And to say that they only put in a few hours is an incorrect statement.

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muggyb

Jan-01-14 1:33 PM

sickofit. I was 15 when he died....I didn't know jack about economics or politics. Making the kind of money these guys make now for the number of hours they put in is a joke!

My point is, there were NO PUBLIC EMPLOYEE UNIONS then and there shouldn't be now. It's government agencies playing with taxpayer money and as far as they're concerned it's an endless supply.

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bluesman

Jan-01-14 1:10 PM

I'm all for trying to figure out a way to pay our volunteers something. But the only way is if both parties come together and crack down on the guy who buys beer with food stamps. I just hope that guy doesn't get drunk, start his house on fire, and kills a volunteer fireman.

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bluesman

Jan-01-14 12:58 PM

The volunteer fire co.'s are truly amazing. Many lives are saved by these folks who ask for nothing in return. Just want to help their neighbors. But if you're suggesting that firefighters in Jamestown recieve no salary because volunteers don't that's where we part company.

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rodrickson

Jan-01-14 9:51 AM

"Great comment bluesman, It's amazing how some people have no concept of what salaries for certain jobs are."

Who know who also does an AMAZING job with firefighting? Chautauqua, Falconer, Ellicott, Charlotte, Ripley, North Harmony, Hanover, Dewittville, Ellery, Clymer, the list goes on.

Do you know how much these people make? ZERO DOLLARS. God bless 'em.

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JFrank

Dec-31-13 5:59 PM

Great comment bluesman, It's amazing how some people have no concept of what salaries for certain jobs are. While I realize that we live in a city where salaries like these seem high, People have to realize all the factors that go into what makes these jobs so difficult and the financial compensation that goes along with them. I wouldn't want to deal with the crap that our Police have to on a daily basis, and I sure have no desire to rush into burning buildings, and go on ems calls that are life and death situations every day. I would rather pay them for the service they provide than all the Government entitlements to those that do nothing!

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bluesman

Dec-31-13 5:14 PM

True, it does seem like a lot for a city the size of Jamestown. But these aren't kids fresh out of college in your list. I know many of them, they have worked hard all their life, served their city well. I can live with paying a deputy fire chief 94k. What I can't live with is standing in line at a gas station while somebody buys beer with food stamps.

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Seadog

Dec-31-13 5:13 PM

Watcher02 - Please tell where I said you had no clue. "Tell me I have no clue about salaries and benefits" WaTCHERS02 "do you know what binding arbitration is? Do you know what that process has cost the city in the past? Try doing some research before making comments that are incorrect".

And if those salaries are so out of line, why don't you put on a badge or fire gear and get on the gravy train.

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Watcher02

Dec-31-13 12:17 PM

Ok lets get the Facts straight : SICK OF IT and SEAHOG.

J-town has 118 members that are cops or firefighters. I just went to NY State web site that publishes the salaries of the J town police and fire department. I 'm only putting the salaries of cops and firefighters that are 80k and above. There are many more at 70 k and above but we will leave it as such Andrew Finson $ 93,329 Barry swanson $93,015 Bruce Sheldon $82,438 Dan De stefano $80,807 Don W woodfield $87,779 Francis Moynihan $83,838 Fred Degolier $88,531 Greg Wozneak $87, 791 Harry snelling $107,730 You get the picture. This is a city gov that has out of control salaries for both the cops and firefighters. There is nothing more that needs to be said about these outrageous salaries and benefits. Chester Harvey $94,349 Chester harvey jr $87,416 chris Dahlgren $82,722 Eric Greene $82,939 Erik Kraft $80,261

Tell me I have no clue about salaries and benefits

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yeahhhh

Dec-31-13 11:20 AM

Collective bargaining aside. The unions have been without a contract for two years. This isn't the 1960s. Everything was hugely cheaper then. How can you even bring that up. This was NOT an over night secret deal. Let's worry about the nonproductive part of society that the police protect us from, and the fire department serves when they get a paper cut. We need to applaud the unions and city for negotiating and still working to serve all.

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sickofit

Dec-31-13 11:11 AM

Muggyb if your father were a fire captain now would you have a problem with his salary.

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sickofit

Dec-31-13 11:08 AM

So move. No one is keeping you here. I would rather my tax dollars went to vital services rather than unproductive members of society collecting our hard earned tax dollars with sitting on their******not doing a*****thing.

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muggyb

Dec-31-13 10:58 AM

Here's what Watcher02 is getting at. These people used to be called "Public Servants"! You took these jobs for the security and pension at the end of your employment. It looks like the public now serves them. My father was a fire captain in the 1960's and was paid the princely sum of $7,500 a year. He had two side jobs in addition to working for the city and paid his own insurance.

When you have two government entities "negotiating" a contract that will be paid with tax payer money, how hard do you think those negotiations are going to be? Answer...not very!

Even Franklin Delano Roosevelt knew that public employee unions were not a good idea for that very reason.

The thing about other people's money is eventually you WILL run out of it.

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sickofit

Dec-31-13 10:35 AM

Watcher02 has no clue.

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Seadog

Dec-31-13 10:24 AM

Watcher02 - do you know what binding arbitration is? Do you know what that process has cost the city in the past? Try doing some research before making comments that are incorrect.

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Watcher02

Dec-31-13 10:08 AM

Another terrible agreement by the Mayor and the city. This city is totally broke yet the Mayor lets the unions run all over him If you look at the wages of the police and fire department personnel you want to SCREAM. Many cops and firefighters making 80k plus in a city of 30k. Hard to believe. The mayor has shown no leadership in standing up against the cops and firefighters

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duckster

Dec-31-13 9:25 AM

nobody likes the police or fireman...until you need one

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rodrickson

Dec-31-13 8:08 AM

Applaud the unions for not going to binding arbitration?

"Meh, our members would rather get our retroactive pay raises immediately, thank you. We splurged a little too much on the holidays and such."

Sounds more like the ball always was in their court the whole time.

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JFrank

Dec-31-13 7:33 AM

I guess instigator doesn't understand the process of collective bargaining and the fact that under the N.Y. State Taylor Law, The Police and Fire have binding arbitration. I can assure you that if they had not settled and gone to arbitration, It would have cost the taxpayers a lot more than what was agreed upon.Madman, as for the "victory" comment it was taken out of context. The rest of his comments were on the radio where he praised the unions for negotiating and settling rather than going to arbitration. I believe he meant a victory for all, the city, taxpayers and employees.

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