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Education System Is A Lie

September 7, 2013

To The Reader’s Forum: One of the biggest problems facing our country is failing public Education. The difficulty as I see it we go to the ones who broke it to fix it....

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50s4ever

Sep-13-13 9:00 AM

@David--"when I was young the schools worked well"...Dang! How old are you?

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CREDENCE

Sep-12-13 12:11 PM

Hey, It takes a village BOBO

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Seadog

Sep-10-13 9:00 PM

Bobojr, did GWB implement race to the top also?

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bobbojr

Sep-10-13 6:09 PM

OBAMA? No Child Left Behind came from President George W. Bush, next idiotic comment now, please....

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FedUpL8ly

Sep-10-13 3:29 PM

DavidVA, I know that nothing is 100%, no matter which side of the argument you're favoring. It has been reported that the great majority of charter schools with results similar to public schools are unionized. This comes about in some states because of teacher's unions pressuring state politicians. The problem isn't meddling by the taxpayers, it's hiring poor teachers and then protecting them from dismissal.

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DavidVA

Sep-10-13 12:11 PM

@FedUpL8ly, "Dark77, what about the better results from non-union charter schools as opposed to unionized public schools. Results are better with charter schools even when the students were from the same locale and same economic background."

Nice try, but the results are actually mixed. Some charters do well, but others fail miserably. This is even true for schools run by the same company. In short, charteer schools are no panacea ... but some of the latitude they have may be a good idea for public schools. Schools aren't very good at being substitute parents, though it would be a good idea for all schools to provide breakfast and lunch to all students. Hungry students do poorly, and feeding everyone assures a level field.

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DavidVA

Sep-10-13 11:54 AM

@cjb4560:

Yes, private schools do well ... at least some do. How doe they do it? By being selective. If they can get rid of anyone they find "unacceptable". then they can be certain of great success. Of course, the 75% who can't make the grade are out of luck.

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DavidVA

Sep-10-13 11:50 AM

So the government should butt-out of schooling. OK, then who or what takes its place? Most children are educated in public schools. All public schools are government run. When I was young, the schools worked well, so it's not the schools.

The biggest problem is the overweening need to meddle, and we're all part of the meddling class. We make demands, and more demands, and still more, then we get angry when they aren't met ... so we cut the funding.

We are the problem. All of us. If we let the educators educate, the results will be much better.

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Seadog

Sep-09-13 5:35 PM

Irony, you have described Obama to a T!

"Gotta love it though. It's always everyone else, isn't it? Always point the finger somewhere else"

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Sep-09-13 2:24 PM

Gotta love it though. It's always everyone else, isn't it? Always point the finger somewhere else.

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Sep-09-13 2:23 PM

"Right on irony."

You clearly did not understand what I meant.

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duckster

Sep-09-13 12:13 PM

This is not rocket science.. Go to school, get an education or learn a marketable skill and move on.. what's the big deal anyway?

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CREDENCE

Sep-09-13 11:40 AM

two words; "Jay Walking" (leno at teacher college graduations; they knew nothing that he asked [easy questions], and they were to be teachers!)

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50s4ever

Sep-09-13 11:02 AM

Money doesn't make you learn. It's attitude. When you emulate the gangsta hip hops, ***** and baby daddies, you aren't going to leave school ready for a good job.....but like, you progs say....you can live in the "real" world.

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CREDENCE

Sep-08-13 4:57 PM

6 months on / 6 months off. (180 day school year)

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CREDENCE

Sep-08-13 3:58 PM

gave us moor money an we will teech your kids more better. We cant make it on 100k a yeer.

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HenryH

Sep-08-13 12:10 PM

Feddie, for once I agree with you. Many school districts are failing our children and pushing children through who have not obtained the required skills even in a failed curriculum. That is very sad and getting worse. So, as an answer, let's cut back more on the basics to make sure that trend continues, yes Feddie?

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FedUpL8ly

Sep-08-13 11:36 AM

Then again Henry, maybe what you meant was that large city school districts, in a great many instances, give students a high school diploma for an "eighth grade" education.

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FedUpL8ly

Sep-08-13 11:34 AM

Dark77, what about the better results from non-union charter schools as opposed to unionized public schools. Results are better with charter schools even when the students were from the same locale and same economic background. As for HenryH, you are indeed a conceited piece of work. I'm a bigot for pointing out the obvious truth. Blacks overwhelmingly support Democrats who fight with all their might to keep the public education status quo despite the miserable track record in the inner cities. I'm surprised you didn't include calling me a racist. As for arguing with Seadog, well it just shows how you can take information and distort context to fit your leftist agenda. It's the same as how some will use misleading parameters to be able to fit statistics to support their arguments. Brother-in-law of mine with chemical engineering degree said his degree directly pertained to only about 15% of the work required for his job.

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HenryH

Sep-08-13 11:03 AM

By the way Doggie, I love how you've added a 'y' to my name. So warm and cuddly of you. You've always been my favorite Doggie every since we started this some time ago.

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HenryH

Sep-08-13 10:59 AM

Oh Doggie, I figured you'd not have response. Your maturity is a mirror image of a petulant child.

I'll take your statement as your establishing you do not have a position that you can articulate nor facts that back it up. You know, it is not shameful to admit that you do not have an argument. Embracing ignorance is the only way to overcome it.

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Seadog

Sep-08-13 9:34 AM

Hanky, a mind is a terrible thing to waste and you demonstrate that in every post,

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HenryH

Sep-08-13 5:41 AM

Doggie, love the bark too bad you forgot to put in your teeth for the bite. Your response is classic "playground" retort. I'll forgive you as I suspect you were a C student in high school.

I'm not going to drag out all the links but this video will start you off for context: on.ted . com / Robinson2013

Read the last paragraph here: voices.yahoo. com / is-formal-education-needed-become-successful-3698596 . html

Last, you can run the logic here Doggie. I know you love your fallacy but this is pretty simple even for a pup like yourself to follow. ****debate****/debates/Formal-Education-does-not-equal-success-in-later-life. /1/

Remove the spaces in the links, just in case you are not aware. Hope my ignorance as demonstrated above is not too advanced for you.

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Seadog

Sep-07-13 8:12 PM

"Let's be clear, most people do not use 'education' much past the 8th grade level"

WOW Hank, really? Do you go to a doctor, dentist, lawyer, accountant? How about the house you live in? Designed by a 8th grader, wired by an 8th grader?

How ignorant are you? Must be you didn't go past 8th grade - well it shows.

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HenryH

Sep-07-13 6:13 PM

Mr. Walker, I agree that the Federal Government should close the DoEd while preserving its role in higher ed finance. The issue of State control of curricula needs to be addressed. Feddie (below), although in a bigoted and myopic manner, pointed out that the Unions need to be addressed and I concur that the process of education needs to be overhauled.

So what is the answer? It would have been nice Mr. Walker if you would have articulated a proposed solution in your complaint.

Let's be clear, most people do not use 'education' much past the 8th grade level. The higher ed = success logic is a myth especially with rising opportunity cost.

I'd love to hear the Author offer a solution to the identified problem.

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