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My Challenge Still Stands

August 7, 2013

To The Reader’s Forum: Ten years ago I wrote: ‘‘The New York State Geological Association meets at a different location every year. Its members are academics and geologists....

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CREDENCE

Aug-17-13 4:32 PM

Rocks; yes, but where? (in some heads?). between various kinds of living creatures–from reptiles to birds, from fish to land animals, from dogs to horses, from monkeys to men–you would expect that the fossil record would be filled with examples of “half-frog, half-bird” creatures, or fish that walk on land, or dogs that look like horses, and so on. But what do you find? Just the opposite. Well over 99% of all fossils represent examples of known living creatures. absence of transitional forms is striking

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CREDENCE

Aug-17-13 3:44 PM

thank you monkey. ????

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50s4ever

Aug-14-13 4:09 PM

Working with the evidence every day, training, education...sounds familiar...o ya..Hitler, Goebbels..

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troglodyte

Aug-12-13 9:16 PM

If working with the evidence every day for years on top of training and education doesn't inspire your trust, what would? If all the people who actually know something and work in the field agree, don't you suspect they could be right? Do you think a layer of salt many feet thick over thousands of acres could be laid down in a flood? How do cracks and animal tracks and sand dunes form in a flood? If you don't know or can't tell me, who do you think could? Do you think because you can't tell if a rock layer took five million years to form or five minutes then no one can? You are entitled to believe anything you like regardless of what the evidence or the experts say, but don't tell them they are wrong and don't call it science.

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CREDENCE

Aug-12-13 5:09 PM

Norm says: "...Get expertly guided tours to the best places in the county where there is evidence. Evidence for which - come and see..." I am not about to listen to some pipe smoking (what's in those pipes) pith hatted so-called geologists who will say "see this layer here; it's 10 million years old". When it actually could be days old...Mt. St Helen comes to mind.

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troglodyte

Aug-11-13 9:13 PM

Have you ever heard of a tu quoque argument? The thing is you ARE acting like cowards and hypocrites. And you are making judgements and pretending to read my mind. Not the same thing. I stand behind everything I say and will do so in the field, in the books, on your turf or on mine. How about the issue? Anything to dodge the issue. Names or no names. Me,you,he, or she. This is an opportunity to go right to the rocks, fossils, and land forms and show the geologists from the whole state they can't explain them and you can Show them right here, cheap and convenient. Bring in your top expert, Settle it once and for all. If you can do that, why are you wasting effort on personality issues? Money or no money, challenge or no challenge, what an opportunity - best in your life. Why would you squander it unless you are frauds?

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troglodyte

Aug-11-13 10:58 AM

10 to 1 and you won't even think about it. How could so many experts be wrong? And if they are, how hard would it be to show them up all together on the spot? It would be a perfect opportunity to prove Noah's flood. How can you resist? But you are frauds and you know it so shut the guy up that shows you up and call him school yard names and try to make yourselves feel good when you are exposed as cowards and weasels. I'm not afraid to go to your phony museums or hear your speakers. I'm not afraid to confront them. I even read your books and plenty of them. What a bunch of snivelers. Put up or shut up. STOP CALLING IT SCIENCE.

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troglodyte

Aug-11-13 10:50 AM

Always about the messenger. Always about belief. What about the evidence? What about the evidence? I dare to look at it. Why are you afraid of rocks? Why do you hate people who look at them? Why do Creationists love rocks when a Creationist guide takes them (and their money) to the Grand Canyon? Salt, cracks, sand dunes, soil layers - turn away. What evidence would make you doubt? Answer: nothing.

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Renaldo

Aug-11-13 10:28 AM

Regardless of the case, if you're driven by an agenda other than truth, instead driven by emotion, ego, belittling of others, and you have no ability to consider an outside perspective, you're unlikely to engage anyone reasonable with a debate or challenge, and rightly so.

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troglodyte

Aug-10-13 9:52 PM

Before abandoning the playground to the morons, let me repeat the points the challenge has established. No one, no one who actually knows anything about the relevant subjects considers Creationist claims as science or anything but an embarrassing joke. Creationists are advocates and bluffers, not amateur (or any other kind of) scientists. They care nothing about the evidence and refuse to even look at it. Their use of the term science is no more truthful, informed, or serious than use of that term by an ad man.

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Girlyman

Aug-10-13 9:33 PM

Fact: The Earth is very old Fact: The Republican agenda is truly evil

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troglodyte

Aug-10-13 5:48 PM

Creationists find ways to interpret any evidence, even things like salt deposits, drying cracks, land animal tracks, repeated soil formation episodes,as remainders of a flood. They make fools of themselves and give Christianity and conservatism a black eye. Scientists try to make sensible deductions from the same evidence. Creationists are afraid of rocks because they remind them of how absurd they are being. Mel, you admitted to me you know nothing about biology or geology. If you want to tell me what happened in the remote past be honest enough to admit it is religion and stop calling it science. And how about going to take a look at the rocks and the land before deciding what it tells us about the past.

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apologeticsnow

Aug-10-13 5:05 PM

noonfiction, faith works both ways both for creationists and evolutionists. Creationists today weren't there when the layers were laid down just as the evolutionists were not there as well and must exercise faith since they were not there to observe it.

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50s4ever

Aug-10-13 2:54 PM

It was those @*%#! troglodytes did that..

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BudZilla

Aug-10-13 9:38 AM

Not long ago in geologic time, this region was covered in a couple miles of ice; that ice was the glaciers that carved the Great Lakes. Proof positive of global warming, but can we blame human activity for it?

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nonfiction

Aug-10-13 8:59 AM

FedUpL8ly

Global temps are warmer at a expontential rate, there's no arguing that. The argument is whats causing it. So there is no myth to global warmer. The vast majority of scientist will say it is caused by greenhouse gas emissions released almost exclusively by the burning of fossil fuels, the minority of scientist in the field state it is purely part of the earths cycle (those studies tend to be backed by energy companies). Understanding the effects of greenhouse gases, it makes sense that the increasing of their emissions is causing the earth's warming. The other argument is that they have no effect and the earth's warming is just a coincidence and has nothing to do with greenhouse emissions.

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nonfiction

Aug-10-13 8:50 AM

apologeticsnow

None it can't be explained and or proven. You either believe it or have faith that it happened or you don't

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50s4ever

Aug-10-13 8:39 AM

Rocks scare me.

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troglodyte

Aug-10-13 7:10 AM

Everybody is saying there is no evidence for this assertion but there is evidence for that assertion. You can stop asking people to take your word for it. Get expertly guided tours to the best places in the county where there is evidence. Evidence for which - come and see. But you are all interested in the argument, and not interested in the evidence. Even if you don't have the guts to accept the challenge, you could at least sign up for the field trips and see if the rocks supports your position. You would have everything to gain, nothing to lose.

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HenryH

Aug-10-13 5:58 AM

You all are really having this discussion? All of you should go find a brick wall, mark and x at the exact height of your forehead and then attempt to knock down that brick wall using your skull. You'd be a lot more successful than having a discussion with "fact" and "faith" of which neither is provable when using the other as a lens for understanding.

If you have faith, great! Just don't expect others to have your same faith. If you believe in the fact of science, great, just don't expect others to comprehend the systematic view you hold.

However, both of you must preserve that which has been given. People of science are creating compounds which hurt everyone. At the same time, people of faith say, "this is my earth given to me and I can do as I wish" which is as deadly.

Stop comparing your dogmas. Start caring for those resources around you as intended by good stewardship and deep faith. To not do so will mean our peril at our own hand or Gods.

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apologeticsnow

Aug-09-13 10:39 PM

nonfiction, what evidence are you prepared to accept as evidence for creation?

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FedUpL8ly

Aug-09-13 6:13 PM

Gee trog, just substitute 60 for 6,000 and it sounds like you were talking about the global warming crowd.

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nonfiction

Aug-09-13 12:54 PM

Well then, please enlighten me Credence.

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duckster

Aug-09-13 12:11 PM

glad 2 see the rards still reign

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CREDENCE

Aug-09-13 11:23 AM

you don't know what you are talking about

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