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Hydraulic Fracturing: Paralysis By Analysis

July 31, 2013

It is time for an end to the open-ended moratorium on hydraulic fracturing in New York state....

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carlaw

Aug-05-13 4:48 PM

Thanks for the infor. on Dimock Pa. Formerjmst.

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formerjmstres

Aug-04-13 7:03 AM

dimock pa.

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carlaw

Aug-03-13 9:35 AM

The point is, nothing is 100% safe and we are talking about very important resources. If 29 states are Fracking, what is the harm of monitoring this process for awhile and then making decisions?

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Gemni5

Aug-03-13 7:53 AM

Carlaw, thanks. You are correct. I did not know the Wyoming report was rescinded.

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carlaw

Aug-03-13 6:29 AM

Aug-02-13 10:07 AM Gemni: "I concede the words "potential" and " could be" are not conclusive. However, that's enough for me."

It's good enough for me too Gemni.

Extracting natural gas from shale rock layers deep within the Earth maybe cleaner than oil but also may completely undermine the American continent. Some of us won't even consider the other side of the Fracking argument until the United States is completely split along the New Madrid fault line. We will have to agree to disagree, but some can't even do that because they think of Fracking as their magic bullet and that it will solve all problems.

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Catman

Aug-02-13 3:20 PM

Gemni5...you must have missed the EPA retreat on their multi-million dollar Wyoming study because the methods they were using were fatally flawed. Hanging your hat on potential, could be and alleged is poor thought process.

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Gemni5

Aug-02-13 10:09 AM

But...the article is neither biased nor undocumented. Did you read it?

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Gemni5

Aug-02-13 10:07 AM

I concede the words "potential" and " could be" are not conclusive. However, that's enough for me.

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Gemni5

Aug-02-13 10:04 AM

What about the Wyoming EPA report Catman? Biased? Undocumented? Plus, the Cornell Chronicle was reporting a study done by scientists...not just opinion piece:A new report has found dozens of cases of illness, death and reproductive issues in cows, horses, goats, llamas, chickens, dogs, cats, fish and other wildlife, and humans. It says these conditions could be the result of exposure to gas drilling operations.

Hydraulic fracturing, popularly called hydrofracking, is a process for extracting natural gas from shale using chemicals and water.

The paper's authors, Robert Oswald, a professor of molecular medicine at Cornell's College of Veterinary Medicine, and veterinarian Michelle Bamberger, DVM '85, interviewed animal owners in six states -- Colorado, Louisiana, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Texas -- and cited 24 cases where animals were potentially affected by gas drilling.

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Catman

Aug-02-13 9:54 AM

Gemni5..Citing a biased and undocumented report in a student run newspaper tests all the limits of credibility. Even former head of the EPA Lisa Jackson testified before Congress,"No proven cases of contamination of water sources.."

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Gemni5

Aug-02-13 7:48 AM

I won't bore you naysayers with more actual studies with actual facts. Keep telling your selves chemicals injected into the ground are perfectly safe and our economy needs fracking. I know you'll all disagree anyways.

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Gemni5

Aug-02-13 7:44 AM

Same study:Findings in the Private and Public Drinking Water Wells: EPA also updated its sampling of Pavillion area drinking water wells. Chemicals detected in the most recent samples are consistent with those identified in earlier EPA samples and include methane, other petroleum hydrocarbons and other chemical compounds. The presence of these compounds is consistent with migration from areas of gas production. Detections in drinking water wells are generally below established health and safety standards. In the fall of 2010, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’ Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry reviewed EPA’s data and recommended that affected well owners take several precautionary steps, including using alternate sources of water for drinking and cooking, and ventilation when showering. Those recommendations remain in place and Encana has been funding the provision of alternate water supplies.

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Gemni5

Aug-02-13 7:42 AM

From the EPA, after a Wyoming ground water study was conducted, 2011: EPA’s analysis of samples taken from the Agency’s deep monitoring wells in the aquifer indicates detection of synthetic chemicals, like glycols and alcohols consistent with gas production and hydraulic fracturing fluids, benzene concentrations well above Safe Drinking Water Act standards and high methane levels. Given the area’s complex geology and the proximity of drinking water wells to ground water contamination, EPA is concerned about the movement of contaminants within the aquifer and the safety of drinking water wells over time.

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Gemni5

Aug-02-13 7:36 AM

Another farmer reported that 140 of his cows were exposed to hydrofracking fluid when wastewater impoundment was allegedly slit, and the fluid drained into a pasture and a pond. "These farmers saw workers slitting the liner to decrease the amount of liquid in the impoundment in order to refill it," said Bamberger. "We have heard it now on several occasions." Of the 140 cows, about 70 died, and there were high incidences of stillborn and stunted calves.

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Gemni5

Aug-02-13 7:33 AM

From Cornell University Chronicle article, " study suggests hydroFracking is killing farm animals, pets": "We have a number of case studies -- they don't tell us about the prevalence of problems associated with hydraulic fracturing, but they do tell us how things can happen," said Oswald.

Some of the case studies include:

In Louisiana, 17 cows died within an hour of direct exposure to hydraulic fracturing fluid. A necropsy report listed respiratory failure with circulatory collapse as the most likely cause of death. A farmer separated his herd of cows into two groups: 60 were in a pasture with a creek where hydrofracking wastewater was allegedly dumped; 36 were in separate fields without creek access. Of the 60 cows exposed to the creek water, 21 died and 16 failed to produce calves the following spring. None of the 36 cows in separated fields had health problems, though one cow failed to breed in the spring. Another farmer reported that 140 of his cows were expo

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MacKenzie

Aug-01-13 8:35 PM

Monkey, all you can say is that we are telling lies. Then tell us the truth. I'm waiting. You are so ill-informed, it's scary.

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carlaw

Aug-01-13 6:49 PM

You are right Fedup! Thanks for pointing that out. I was just so mad smoke was coming out of my ears. I guess Catman can make a point without a personal insult! Good for Catman, can't say the same for kabobbilly boy though. I understand Dunkirk's position and sympathize with it. The point I was trying to make was that water is a precious resource too, and we need to be cautious. Thanks Fedup as usual your crystal clear understanding saved the day. :)

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FedUpL8ly

Aug-01-13 4:00 PM

Maybe I'm missing something but when catman used "flat Earthers" it seemed that he was referring to those sharing his opinion as it's a term often hurled at those who don't jump on the climate change bandwagon. Carlaw, maybe it seemed abrasive to you but I wouldn't call it an insult to refer to the 29 states that hydro fracture natural gas safely. I hope you don't think I'm jumping on the bandwagon but the entire county benefits if Dunkirk retrofits to using natural gas.

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aggiemae

Aug-01-13 11:58 AM

Am I right? Because carlaw does not agree with you she is liberal? My mistake for thinking we lived in a country where we were allowed to have our own opinions and could state them. What an insult to a VERY good woman and to yourselves on being so narrow minded that you are the only one who is right. Shame, Shame.

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Sammie

Aug-01-13 10:09 AM

Catman without a doubt you have a dog in the race. They sure get their money out of you.

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carlaw

Aug-01-13 8:55 AM

And so are "flat Earthers" You just can't state an opinion without an insult can you.

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Catman

Aug-01-13 8:18 AM

Carla's...Let's have a discussion based on the facts and real world experiences. High volume hydrofracking is done safely and effectively in 29 states. You are entitled to your opinion, and so are flat earthers. You are a very educated person, but on this issue the science and facts are not on your side.

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carlaw

Aug-01-13 8:04 AM

Kabob and Catman the other bloggers would find it hard to believe who you are. I know and I am about to let everyone else know so back off and let me have the freedom of speech every Democrat or Republican is entitled to have. You both have benefited from party affiliations, I have not, my opinions and conclusions are not partisan. I am not kidding guys, I am sick of this. If you have an opinion, state it and get off my back. You have been warned, :). Have a nice day.

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carlaw

Aug-01-13 7:56 AM

Catman you have much to gain by fracking, and form your opinions on that basis. I don't. You know I'm not listening to Yoko Ono (isn't that a Beetle's wife?) or whoever yet you attack my right to a personal opinion. Go S U C K eggs Catman.

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FedUpL8ly

Aug-01-13 2:00 AM

Jhw-proudtobe-innyc, I suppose those Republicans you refer to would be off the deep end in not backing Weiner or Spitzer. Yes, Democrats really are the party of good sense and high standards.

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