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No Benefit To Learning English When Translation Is Available

June 13, 2013

To The Readers’ Forum: I read with interest the editorial stating a Hispanic Navigator is needed. No we don’t. We need English as our national language....

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50s4ever

Jun-17-13 11:47 AM

Could be..or any one of them. Same old crap.

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50s4ever

Jun-17-13 11:25 AM

Please marsa! No more abuse button! Three at a time is more than I can bear!

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50s4ever

Jun-17-13 11:07 AM

Fedup-I think he just googled a translation to a Bulgarian phrase. It took me about 1 minute to do the same. It was interesting being in the presence of the Omnipotent one. Congrats on your linguistic skills. I am impressed, and very jealous.

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50s4ever

Jun-17-13 6:49 AM

It's disappointing when someone wastes intelligence, education, and desire to make a difference on being a jerk that brings out the worse of others.

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FedUpL8ly

Jun-17-13 6:08 AM

Lone, I'm now convinced that HenryH is, in reality, GioAllie with a thesaurus.

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50s4ever

Jun-16-13 8:53 PM

I don't know anyone outside a drug task force in Germany who had use for vulgarian.

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HenryH

Jun-16-13 4:54 PM

50s, I would never dismiss you. I'm committed to giving as much help and attention to the special needs members of our community. I'm pleased you've mastered turning on the computer and see that you are working hard on your reading comprehension. Using analogy to convey meaning to you is effective, no?

On a side note, I knew you were a lover of Jessie Jackson. I could almost hear the accent coming through. It makes so much sense now.

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HenryH

Jun-16-13 4:44 PM

Lone, I'm please to see your personal understanding of political ideology is as clear as the water in the Chadakoin after a spring storm. My position is classic libertarian without bias and without religious affiliation. I feel no need to be scared of the world around us as you do. I'm not bigoted where you seem to pay attention to the color of one's skin in judging their worth. Again, I'd love to see your answers if you were using your real name. I'm still sad we have such people casting a blight on our community which such views.

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50s4ever

Jun-16-13 4:04 PM

lonerr-did you know that in 1939 94% of Germans were Christians?

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50s4ever

Jun-16-13 11:03 AM

Thanks HH. I thought for a minute you were going to be dismissive, and cast childish names at us.

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50s4ever

Jun-16-13 11:01 AM

Tanznia....um...is that the place they cut off arms and hands of albinos for souvenirs?

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HenryH

Jun-16-13 6:04 AM

FedUp, I'll entertain your outrage for Obama's Africa trip. He is going to South Africa, Senegal and Tanzania. I hope you are not implying in any bigoted manner that the Obama clan is returning 'home'. That clearly is not the case as Obama's father's family is Kenyan.

In regards to the cost, I agree the Secret Service spends way to much on protection. We have a president, not a king. They are meant to be easily replaced.

If you really want to understand costs, you should see what happens when the American delegation goes to Jerusalem. Last time I was involved there, the cost was of similar amounts but we do not report this fact. I agree 100% the cost of the Executive Branch needs to be trimmed significantly. Let's be sure we are doing it in a colorblind way, ok?

So, returning to the question, wouldn't it be beneficial if the American delegation spoke the languages of South Africa, Senegal and Tanzania? We would see much more economic development in a mutual beneficial manner

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HenryH

Jun-16-13 5:55 AM

FedUp, you are digressing in to hatred for the status quo. I'll ignore the Obama statement as it is not germane to the question.

You speak of illegals coming here. Illegal immigration, again is outside the question and domain of this article. However, illegal immigration is not an adverse affect on our economy. In short, we allow such immigration as it keeps our farms working, our meat processing plants operating and our cheaper than cheap service industries (dry cleaning, car washing, landscaping, etc) providing the services that you want to have.

Do you understand the issues of globalization and the principles of production? What you offer is not possible especially within the context of national debt. America lost its ability to set wages in '70s. Happy to explore it further but there is extensive evidence that wages will be getting cheaper. In that, you will get your wish as the opportunity cost of illegal immigration goes down. How will you ensure economic growth in your v

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FedUpL8ly

Jun-16-13 5:27 AM

HenryH, it might even cause one such as yourself to be at least indignant, if not outraged, that the Obama family sees fit to spend $100 million on an "excellent African vacation" now that the daughters have started their school's summer recess. In light of all of the unnecessary "pain" inflicted by the Obama administration on ordinary Americans due to sequestration, I would imagine someone such as yourself might even find it difficult to toss it off as just another budgetary blip.

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FedUpL8ly

Jun-16-13 5:19 AM

HenryH, your rationalization of tens of billions (because it is happening year after year) as a budgetary blip is one of the reasons we've had people like Reid and Pelosi in leadership roles in Congress and get someone like Barack Obama re-elected as President. You still ignored my question that if the vast majority of illegals are coming here to work, as you say, then why not cut off all of the many benefits they seem to enjoy at the expense of our own citizens. You also seem oblivious to the fact that many of the immigrants who do become rich are leaving this country due to the onerous taxation policies compared to those other countries and who can blame them. Our country wouldn't grind to a halt as you infer but many employers would be required to pay higher salaries which I'm all for although it would lead to short-term inflation, it would force the government to be more fiscally responsible which would be beneficial in the long-term.

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HenryH

Jun-16-13 2:27 AM

FedUp, I appreciate your assertion that a differentiator was a skill level. However, history does not show any differentiator. If you look at the anecdotal evidence, as a population, there is not a correlation.

Your economic argument is somewhat true in that there is certainly political pandering as 14% (Cencus 2010) are foreign born. However, in the whole of the budget it is the cost of but one F-22. It is but a quibble over budgetary pennies.

I would highly encourage you to expand your informed opinion about the comparison you are making. To think an immigrant comes to the US and simply joins the dole is not reality. Without immigrants, our economy would grind to a halt. It is the ignorant positions offered in this thread which are a tremendous risk to our economy. We are already seeing our most enterprising minds return to China, India and Brazil. PhD students continue to consider Australia and Canada as more welcoming. As shown here, ignorance of this will be at our peril.

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FedUpL8ly

Jun-15-13 7:24 PM

HenryH, a common language is a unifying influence. You, like so many others, blindly claim immigration is beneficial no matter what. There is a great difference between immigrants coming to this country before the vast expansion of welfare programs enacted in the 1960's. Many immigrants were educated, skilled artisans who were pigeon-holed in other societies. They weren't catered to like today. They expected opportunity, not hand-outs. Democrats dole out the freebies in return for votes. If you don't believe this, then ask yourself why Senate Democrats absolutely insist that illegals continue to get the Earned Income Tax Credit which has cost the taxpayer tens of billions of dollars since Obama became President.

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50s4ever

Jun-15-13 4:58 PM

Like I said....

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HenryH

Jun-15-13 3:09 PM

Snowy, glad to see you weighing into the xenophobia.

You said, "... but at what point does diversity cross the line into chaos?" What is the correlation of diversity and chaos? There is none. If there were a correlation, we would have constant war in the USA. As a matter of fact, there is a reasonable argument to the opposite.

You said, "Immigration years ago wasn't what it is now." What do you mean? America is about immigration. It was not until the early 1980s that we saw backlash as industrial jobs were shipped overseas. Trickle Down was a fallacy which needed a scapegoat. We know how badly that has worked out.

Your rhetoric sounds like that of Millard Fillmore and his Nativists of the 1840s. It is that fear which would collapse our economy. If you want America to be more competitive and continue our hegemony, the borders need to be thrust open. As you can see, the ideas offered in this thread by my contraveners are a wee-bit old having already lost favor in

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HenryH

Jun-15-13 2:57 PM

50s, I love your rudimentary name calling. At least it is within your normal pattern of lowbrow responses.

If you are going to be insulting, at least do it with a bit of style. Add some flare to it. Put some ... dare I say it ... thought into it. :)

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50s4ever

Jun-15-13 2:34 PM

HH believes nothing but his own delusions. I don't live in Jamestown. If you knew my name it would make no difference. You would still be a pompous ass.

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apologeticsnow

Jun-15-13 11:52 AM

When I read remarks about diversity and all the wonderful things it brings, I can agree with it to a point, but at what point does diversity cross the line into chaos? Immigration years ago wasn't what it is now. The level of welfare then hardly was what it is now. Also, it is not wise to ingnore the fact that some Muslims immigrate here with the hostoric view of jihad which means offensive confrontation with the West. Anchor babies from the southern border were not intended to be justified as reason for citizneship according to the writers of the 14th amendment, but many today want to make it that way. That invites more chaos than diversity.

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HenryH

Jun-15-13 11:02 AM

50s, you tickle me. I've had to go back and read your dimly eloquent retorts. I wonder if you'd behave as you do if you used your real name? I use my real name. The PJ does not show my last name but many people in our community know me well.

You speak of having travelled yet have such a disdain for anything which is not made of our crumbling Jamestown brick. You carry such anger at our community that I cannot imagine you actually participate in it. Did you go to the Farmers' Market Down town yesterday? Did you see the mix of people even in our little community? Your fear is a poisonous stench which I hope wither with you and does not leave you when you depart form your mortal coil.

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HenryH

Jun-15-13 10:55 AM

FedUp, glad to hear that you are a polyglot yet I've never met a polyglot who believed a national language would be a solution to the issues you mention.

Comparing the Balkans to the US is not a fair comparison. The Germanic Tribes, the Turks and Persians have all left their mark. It is not an issue of language but of centuries of war and invasion. In the US, we have immigrants.

The government, even today, support multi-lingual forms other than Spanish which is spoken by about 22% of the population. There will be no plans to expand this in the near future. It is a moot point.

Language does not develop or singularly promote national unity. How can you make this claim especially with our previous success where hundreds of languages are used every day in the US? You are making a false correlation, no?

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HenryH

Jun-15-13 10:45 AM

Doggie, you need to work on your reading comprehension. I'll leave it at that.

50s, you must be related to Credence. Your structures are the same and your quips almost identical. Clearly, you're falling short.

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