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In Defense Of A Pastor’s Views

May 24, 2013

To The Reader’s Forum: A recent letter not only labels Jeff Short’s religion as “hate,” but misunderstands and attacks Christianity itself....

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Emelye

Jun-08-13 9:41 AM

You still haven't provided any credible evidence - the Fox "News" story is hardly credible - where nondiscrimination laws have caused or increased crimes in ladies' rooms. You're dreaming up doomsday scenarios without a shred of evidence.

Adding gender identity to our state's nondiscrimination law will not cause, increase or excuse any kind of crimes. No matter how often you repeat your imagined, fear mongering, fantasies about trans women in public restrooms, it still has ZERO basis in fact.

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Emelye

Jun-08-13 9:36 AM

""No harm done"??? How about being confronted by a MAN in a ladies room when you don"t expect it?"

Again, your reading comprehension is defective, Seadog. The trans woman in question was minding her own business, washing her hands. The cis woman is the one who started the confrontation.

"How about if "she" decides to get a little 'by accident'?"

You're fantasizing again. Stop making things up so you can argue against them. It proves your prejudice on top of being a fallacy called a straw man argument.

The fact is that trans people do not decide "to get a little 'by accident'" as you so crudely put it. If they did, there would be records of it, since doing so would be a crime punishable by arrest and prosecution. You still haven't provided any credible evidence - the Fox "News" story is hardly credible - where nondiscrimination laws have caused or increased crimes in ladies' rooms. You're dreaming up doomsday s

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Seadog

Jun-05-13 8:15 AM

So emely/emele - according to you, a news story that reports the name of the restaurant and eeven the name of the victim's husband made the story up? Try a goolgle search and you'll find more reports about this incident OTHER than FOX News.

"No harm done"??? How about being confronted by a MAN in a ladies room when you don"t expect it? How about if "she" decides to get a little "by accident"?

Bottom line Mrs Doubtfire, use your own bathromm and the problem will go away.

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Emelye

Jun-04-13 11:34 PM

Yes, there is NO law against you going into a ladies room, Seadog. What keeps you out is social convention and cultural norms. You might get screamed at by someone but as long as you don't commit a crime, like peeking or harassment, you wouldn't get arrested.

A good lawyer could even argue that nondiscrimination law, because it covers sex, would protect you from prosecution if you just went into the ladies', as long as you didn't behave badly.

Cultural norms and social conventions are powerful things, aren't they?

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Emelye

Jun-04-13 11:29 PM

First of all, Starnes has been caught reporting stories that have been, let's say, less than truthful, Seadog. He's an obvious right wing propagandist. His article was published on Fox "News," an organization that has never been hesitant to twist the facts of a story to make it more sensational. The article in not credible.

Second, even an article from a proved right wing propagandist (he makes speeches for hate groups!) didn't show any harm done by the trans person. As a matter of fact, I could rewrite the article, titling it, "Trans Woman Assaulted in Restaurant Restroom by Irate Customer." It wasn't the trans person who make a scene.

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Seadog

Jun-04-13 5:35 PM

Who's attacking anyone monkeyboy. Aren't you proud of who you are?

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Seadog

Jun-04-13 5:34 PM

"Seadog, plagiarizing the factually challenged Todd Starnes of Fox "News" doesn't grant you a lot of credibility". First of all i didn't plagiarize anything - I simply quoted a news article. The article also talks about just one woman's bad reaction. None of the other women in line said anything" Where did the article state others were in line?

And finally you say - "New York State has no laws that cover who should use which public restroom". REALLY?? I'll guarantee you if I use a women's room a number of times, I'll get arrested like any MALE using a woman's restroom. So Emily, no need for you to get your panties in a bunch. Just reporting a news story that shows how wrong you are. Enjoy doing whatever you do.

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Monkeyboy

Jun-04-13 12:02 PM

Helen, you will notice Seadog's immediate go-to behavior when feeling threatened is bullying. He's particularly fond of attacking one's sexuality for disagreeing with him. Poor, sad man.

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Emelye

Jun-04-13 9:47 AM

New York State has no laws that cover who should use which public restroom. GENDA is about employment, housing, credit and public accommodations discrimination on the basis of gender expression/identity. It's more about getting and/or keeping a job (which keeps people off of welfare), getting or keeping decent housing and being able to use public services like restaurants and hotels. There is no credible evidence of any harm done by adding gender identity to nondiscrimination laws.

The first such inclusion was in 1976, in Minneapolis, Minnesota. You would think that after 37 years, and the passage of similar laws in 16 states, along with more than 160 counties, cities and towns, you could find some widespread examples of *actual* harm, Seadog. But you can't, can you?

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Emelye

Jun-04-13 9:43 AM

First of all, Seadog, plagiarizing the factually challenged Todd Starnes of Fox "News" doesn't grant you a lot of credibility. Second of all, did the article mention anything harmful or criminal being done? Or was this woman's outrage merely a reaction against someone's appearance? The article also talks about just one woman's bad reaction. None of the other women in line said anything?

The evidence (as far as it can believed since it came from Starnes) shows that the incident was precipitated by one woman's prejudice and discrimination. How does this support your opposition to GENDA in any way? It doesn't.

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Seadog

Jun-03-13 7:45 PM

Helene, are you actually monkeyboy in women's clothing?

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Seadog

Jun-03-13 7:44 PM

An so it begins!! "A Nashville woman who found herself face-to-face with a “big, burly” cross-dresser in the ladies room of a family restaurant felt her horror turn to anger after a restaurant manager suggested she try the men’s room.

Transgendered people in several states have been fighting for the right to use public restrooms that correspond with whatever sex they consider themselves, with lawmakers in California and Massachusetts providing support for the idea. But David Staton, whose wife had the disquieting run-in while eating out at Amerigo, a restaurant in the country music capital, has a simple solution.

“There needs to be some sort of law that says if you are born a man with man-parts, you go to the men’s bathroom,” said Staton.“In a family restaurant, men should go to the men’s room and women should go to the women’s.”

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HelenW

Jun-03-13 2:26 PM

Wow! Who is this Seadog person who doesn't even know when he's being mocked? It looks like his reading comprehension is broken.

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Seadog

Jun-02-13 2:12 PM

Monkeyboy, you never cease to amaze me with your ignorance.

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Monkeyboy

Jun-02-13 1:46 PM

She whipped your ****, Seadog, and you don't even realize it. Now all you can do is bully.

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Seadog

Jun-02-13 9:24 AM

Finally! You have made a stupid, self-serving, poor me, statement that was an out and out lie.

What else have you not been truthful with?

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Emelye

Jun-01-13 11:32 PM

Here's a suggestion, Seadog. Why not try holding your breath until I do what you demand of me? It might make me do it faster!

This strategy would fit in quite well with the rest of your fantastical thinking! try it for a half hour or so, you can let us know how it worked.

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Seadog

Jun-01-13 11:25 PM

"Ok Emelye, who and when did "people on this forum uttered threats to identify you"?

Please cut and paste those threats"

Still waiting Em.

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Emelye

Jun-01-13 2:13 PM

You just keep making yourself feel better about it by denying the truth, Seadog. Everyone else with a brain can see through your delusions.

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Seadog

May-31-13 11:19 PM

Seadog May-31-13 9:52 AM Agree | Disagree Crickets, just as I thought

There were no threats! Just more paranoia. If not, post those threats. No threats, no truth, means a lot.

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Seadog

May-31-13 11:18 PM

Seadog May-31-13 9:52 AM Agree | Disagree Crickets, just as I thought

There were no threats! Just more paranoia. If not, post those threats. No threats, no truth, means a lot.

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Emelye

May-31-13 2:20 PM

You don't really read my posts, do you, Seadog? Or is it that your memory is so defective that you don't remember what you've read? Perhaps it's the complete lack of self awareness that so many people in the right wing seem to suffer from?

Since you didn't get it the first time, there's no reason to repeat myself.

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Seadog

May-31-13 9:52 AM

Crickets, just as I thought.

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Seadog

May-30-13 11:37 PM

"I'm not going to go into specifics because I'm unwilling to divulge details that will allow the people in this forum who have already uttered threats to identify"

Ok Emelye, who and when did "people on this forum uttered threats to identify you"?

Please cut and paste those threats.

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Emelye

May-30-13 2:15 PM

I'm surprised that this discussion has gone on so long when the commentary,

htt p://ww w.post-journal.co m/page/content.detail/i d/622807/Tell-Legislators-To-Support-Gender-Non-Discrimination.html?nav=5071

has only 20 replies. Doesn't anyone read the commentaries when they're done with the letters?

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