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A Rare Case

First-Degree Murder Indictment Not Typical For County

April 30, 2013

MAYVILLE — The first-degree murder indictment for two of the four men connected to the double homicide in the town of Carroll is the first in Chautauqua County in more than five years....

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May-02-13 9:37 AM

Well put, oldlady....I cannot wrap my head around such evil. My heart aches for the whole community who has been shaken to the core.

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Apr-30-13 8:08 PM

I don't understand and never will understand the gang or mob mentality. How can one person lead a group of people to destroy those that never harmed them? Satan exists for sure, but what allows some people to be so susceptible and others not at all? What did these young men think about that allowed them to not even consider their own self preservation? They are looking at a life of such hideous nightmares. To be eighteen and never drive again, date a real girl, eat out at a restaurant, go to the bathroom in private and just be young. I weep for Gordy and Joyce that their future was ripped from them. I am stunned at the self hatred these young men directed at themselves.

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Apr-30-13 3:34 PM

@Lukecage..Thank You so much for clarifying that for me.Yes the one in Brooklyn was a man named Ronell Fields- a convicted cop killer.He impregnated a female guard to avoid the death sentence.But the NY appeals threw out his death sentence due to prosecutors mistakes in the penalty phase(whatever that means).He was due to die by lethal injection.Murders happened 2003- appeals threw out death sentence 2010 due to the mistake & as of 3/13 was back in court

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Apr-30-13 3:16 PM

@Carlaw: no noone had a gun. Though I appreciate the passion ya'll have for the 2nd ammendement (I'm right there with you!). Let this one go and let us move on and begin healing. The loss of our neighbor and our friends has shaken us all to our core and has caused everyone to look at things much differently. Eventually all the facts will come out - if you really must know, just wait but don't inquire. It really comes across as heartless. Thanks for your consideration.

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Apr-30-13 8:53 AM

Welcome to liberal NY where no matter how bad the crime you will not lose your own life. And maybe the president will set you free during a sequester!

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Apr-30-13 8:38 AM

I mean the law lists different kinds of killing that can be first degree murder, like killing a cop, killing while robbing, torturing to death. The indictment says exactly which one and the case against them is based on that.

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Apr-30-13 8:10 AM

This article does not say it clearly. First degree murder means life without parole. Second degree means a set number of years in prison. State law is on the internet so look up first degree murder. The indictment is public record and will say which parts of state law the murders come under so if the PJ bothered to do some basic research, we could know what they are accused of doing and what Foley has to prove to have them convicted.

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Apr-30-13 8:08 AM

@ Fedup

I think the case you are referring to out of Brooklyn was because the individual violated federal law and the feds do allow for the death penalty in certain crimes. The four individuals in this case here in Chautauqua County violated no federal laws, only state law, and NY does not have a death penalty for any crime, no matter how severe.

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Apr-30-13 8:05 AM

It is my understanding from the papers accounts it was "one of the most grisly scenes" the sheriff has seen. To answer your question Carlaw there were no guns involved. Sickening.

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Apr-30-13 8:02 AM

@ Fedup From wikipedia:

"In June 2004, the state's highest court ruled in People v. LaValle that the state's death penalty statute violated the state constitution,[2] and New York has had an effective moratorium on capital punishment since then. Subsequent legislative attempts at fixing or replacing the statute have failed,[3] and in 2008 then-Governor David Paterson issued an executive order disestablishing New York's death row."

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Apr-30-13 7:48 AM

Does NYS have the death penalty? I'm kinda confused on this one.In Brooklyn a multiple killer was sentenced to death in FEDERAL COURT not long ago.But then in other documents it shows NYS does not have the death penalty! I am very very lost on this one.."That is why I stated in my comment about at the hands of nys". BUT I AM FINDING DIFF INFO PERTAINING TO THE D.P. So can someone please honestly let me know what truly is right? TY in advance..ROT IN*****YOU 4 DEMONIZED SOULESS MONSTERS!!!

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Apr-30-13 7:30 AM

I say death is too lenient for these cold blooded murderers!! They would suffer a less painful death at the hands of NYS if a death penalty were sought.Put these monsters in the worst maximum security prisons in NYS for the rest of their natural life/no parole.Let them live with what they did & dwell on it- it eventually will drive them crazy cuz they are so young.Let them live around hard core ruthless criminals & become their bytches - sex slaves - the ones who wash their clothes by hand,clean their cells,cook their food,buy their food & personal products,be clowned & made to dress as a female- basically they will be somebodies boy toy.If they don't abide by what they are told to do>> well they will eventually be beat to death- or sliced to death- or they might take their own life.I'd rather it go down that way than by the hands of NYS. They all need to suffer for what they did.

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Apr-30-13 6:02 AM

A Eye For A Eye A Tooth For A Tooth ! These Punks Need To Pay For Their Actions. Death For What They Have Done Is Only Right !

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Apr-30-13 6:02 AM

Did anyone have a gun?

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