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Marriage — The Best Antipoverty Program

March 20, 2013

To the Readers’ Forum: The social problems in our community and in our country seem so numerous and solutions seem so hard to find....

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jamestownfan18

Mar-20-13 12:30 AM

Sure, a stable family with two parents is ideal. I agree, we should encourage this. But can we make it legally mandatory? Of course not. Should we punish unwed mothers doing their best to raise children? Of course not. Ideals are great on paper, but unfortunately we don't live on paper. We live in reality. And the reality is that not all families will be ideal. We should encourage the ideal family, but we should also embrace the hard working ones that don't turn out that way. Now THAT would be step toward ending poverty.

Now, if you want to see people who live fantasy lives on paper. Just read some of the posts above. ;)

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jamestownfan18

Mar-20-13 12:39 AM

But the letter makes a great point, in that a family with both genders contributing is the key to minimizing poverty. This is one reason why Mother Teresa was so evil. Mother Teresa claimed to help poverty, yet she violently opposed womens' rights in third world countries. She fought against the very thing that could have helped end poverty.

Of course, she also ran 'homes for the elderly' that existed in deplorable conditions, including the re-use of needles, refusal of any pain medications [because Teresa loved suffering], and untrained volunteers making medical diagnoses.

But the point is that we should encourage a full nuclear family. Not suppress women, like Teresa did. In that sense...great letter.

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carlaw

Mar-20-13 5:27 AM

Bravo Fred! Great letter! We need to stop rewarding this behavior.

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Renaldo

Mar-20-13 6:20 AM

Excellent point made by this letter. Jfan, what letter did you read? No one but you brought up mandatory requirements or penalties. The letter encouraged teaching fundamentals. You are so full of hatred of anything traditional or conservative, it seems to twist what you see and read. You truly need help. Glad at least the PJ provides you a bit of therapy.

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macnizzle

Mar-20-13 6:46 AM

Fan only you can turn an article on the virtues of marriage into an attack on the church and Mother Theresa. Former abuse victim? Or just anti God. Oh wait anti space god. Don't feel like you have to respond. By now we could all guess your response. It gets a little old.

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bobbojr

Mar-20-13 6:55 AM

Theory on paper looks good, maybe. Once again we travel back to the OLD standard. It is 2013 not 1913, the morays of old have seem to have been set aside. The teens of today? How about the vast majority of 21-45 year olds that have no interest in marriage. Teens of today do not sit looking at bridal magazines, whopping with mommy while daddy works white washing the picket fence. GEEZ! Try a reality check for our era and our time. An invalid response to problems unsolved.

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Jazzie

Mar-20-13 7:02 AM

Here we go with more of the same with the Morals Policing the PJ is forcing down our throats. "Go out and get married and pop out a few kids, add to our over-population while you're at it!". Being married has never stopped married couples with kids from being impoverished. And what about women who have lived in broken homes? What are they, chopped liver? Proves an idiot truly wrote this letter. I know both men AND women who had single parents who didn't turn out so broken. In fact their lives turned out better than anyone expected. We certainly don't need other people's morals shoved down our throats. Everyone is different, duuhhh!

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Coppergoat

Mar-20-13 7:04 AM

Daniel Patrick Moynihan also had a comprehensive plan for dealing with poverty. It did a lot more than blame the victim, which is the simplest, cheapest and least effective solution, but one that always enjoys the most support.

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Jazzie

Mar-20-13 7:06 AM

Exactly Bobbojr. My youngest brother has no interest in marriage or children.

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cessna182

Mar-20-13 7:36 AM

I agree, Moynihan had a plan to deal with poverty but he also believed that single parent households were more likely to remain impoverished and he also felt that some state and federal welfare programs actually encouraged poverty. In some cases welfare benefits were reduced or eliminated if a male lived in the home. While Moynihan was slammed by both the left wing liberals and the right wing conservatives, his studies proved to be correct.

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KCW007

Mar-20-13 8:50 AM

The standards which I was taught were: 1) First complete at least a High School Education, 2) Bear no children before age 21, 3) Bear no children outside of marriage. Abiding by the previously mentioned standards DOES NOT mean that such a family unit will never experience proverty, but rather that it hugely reduces the odds of being condemned to a more or less permenate state of poverty. Abiding by just even two out three of the above principles increases the odds of economic success at least somewhat, but what are the chances for those who fail to obtain even one?

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duckster

Mar-20-13 8:56 AM

marriage will fight poverty... for the divorce lawyers....

yeah... that mother teresa was a real bad ass wtf am I reading here?

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GioAllie

Mar-20-13 9:24 AM

the late Christopher Hitchens and others failed miserably to dispel the altruism that was mother Teresa, with baseless unproven accusations from hitchen's book.

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BudZilla

Mar-20-13 9:52 AM

"Almost no person who completes high school gets married and then has children winds up in poverty in America."

Go tell your lie to a homeless family under a bridge or a divorced woman living on welfare.

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Pharyngula

Mar-20-13 10:23 AM

"Mother Teresa has been criticized for having few scruples about where donations came from.[1]

She risked her credibility by taking money from former Haitian dictator Jean-Claude "Baby Doc" Duvalier.[2] In 1981, Teresa flew to Haiti to accept the Legion d'Honneur[disambiguation needed] from right-wing dictator Jean-Claude Duvalier, who, after his ouster, was found to have plundered the impoverished country.[3] The donation issue came up in the early 1990s when it was revealed that Charles Keating, an American banker known for the infamous "saving and loan scandal," had donated up to $1.25 million to Missionaries of Charity. Amidst calls to return the money, Mother Teresa chose to remain silent, an incident that is still cited by her critics who demand transparency.[4] Typically, friends, family and colleagues write the judge urging leniency. Mother Teresa asked the court to show mercy on Mr. Keating, a generous contributor to her charities.[5]"

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Pharyngula

Mar-20-13 10:26 AM

"She also accepted money from the British publisher Robert Maxwell, who, as was later revealed, embezzled UK£450 million from his employees' pension funds.[6 A report in German magazine Stern, revealed that in 1991 only seven percent of the donations received at Missionaries of Charity were used for charity.[4]"

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Pharyngula

Mar-20-13 10:35 AM

"In 1991, Dr. Robin Fox, editor of the British medical journal The Lancet visited the Home for Dying Destitutes in Calcutta (now Kolkata) and described the medical care the patients received as "haphazard". He observed that sisters and volunteers, some of whom had no medical knowledge, had to make decisions about patient care, because of the lack of doctors in the hospice. Dr. Fox specifically held Teresa responsible for conditions in this home, and observed that her order did not distinguish between curable and incurable patients, so that people who could otherwise survive would be at risk of dying from infections and lack of treatment."

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GioAllie

Mar-20-13 10:40 AM

"guilt" by association?

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PleaseWakeUp

Mar-20-13 10:45 AM

Good Morning Sea!

Just wondering, do you have a non-attacking side in your life?

Until another day, Peace Out!

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Pharyngula

Mar-20-13 11:04 AM

"Phary - and your point is? If the money helped feed people, who cares where she got it."

If someone stole from you, donated 7% of it to the poor and kept the rest, would you think they should receive a lenient sentence because of their generosity?

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crosshairs

Mar-20-13 11:07 AM

Wow,a simple letter explaining how a 2 parent household is better(which has been proven by the way)for the overall development of kids and society and the left still finds reasons to go off.And how did Mother Teresa get into the discussion.Sure times are different bobbyjo,but does that mean its better.

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Pharyngula

Mar-20-13 11:07 AM

" Also, did you do any research on certain contributors to Nixon, Clinton and Obama?" Generally when a contribution is questioned it is returned so as to try to remove scandal from the cause.

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Pharyngula

Mar-20-13 11:40 AM

Should the charity do some investigation in how the giver got the money? Even if they didn't do it at first, they should return it so as to try and keep their name clean when it becomes clear the contribution was tainted.

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Pharyngula

Mar-20-13 12:22 PM

Could you point out the location of the "slander"?

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GioAllie

Mar-20-13 12:23 PM

hitchens failed miserably, and proved nothing-if he and or his story book is the source here.

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