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Abortion Debate Remains Matter Of Opinion

March 17, 2013

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Mar-17-13 2:27 AM

Aborted fetuses go straight to Heaven, as they never committed sin.

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Mar-17-13 6:37 AM

Budsy, Pslm 51:5 (read with understanding)

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Mar-17-13 7:21 AM

I guarantee the next rights to be fought for will be sex with your pet, and age of consent being lowered to meet the new age development of children. A child can be killed minutes before birth legally. Has that which defines it as a person been formed at that time? Euthanasia is on the near horizon. Then you people will think we are a enlightened nation.

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Mar-17-13 9:23 AM

there are coherent arguments on both sides... this issue will never be resolved

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Mar-17-13 9:42 AM

What amazes me is the approach taken by those who oppose legal abortion is that they think abortion would stop if only we would overturn Roe v Wade. How utterly naive and closed minded! Abortions would surely continue - maybe even at a greater pace, but the women who need them would be placed into situations that would endanger their health and lives because of the lack of regulation and oversight.

If you don't believe in abortion then don't have one! Simple as that. Stop trying to shove your beliefs up into the wombs of all women whose desperation prompts them to choose such a radical solution to an unwanted pregnancy.

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Mar-17-13 10:02 AM

It should have been left to the states. Keep your womb out of my pocketbook em. Killimg a baby minutes from birth is not a woman's health issue or reproductive rights issue.

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Mar-17-13 11:22 AM

50's I enjoyed reading crazy and unrelated rant about slippery slopes. People used the same tactic a long time ago when talking about interrracial marriage.

Keep trying...

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Mar-17-13 11:25 AM

Scally, you seem like a very angry little man. I see your faith has gotten you places, lol.

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Mar-17-13 11:45 AM

Guess you didn't catch the subject during sex week at Yale recently fan18.....cosidering the prejudices toward ********** and incest. The slope is slippery. The only time you show is to beat the same two drums. Guns and gays. You blame religion for everything.

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Mar-17-13 11:48 AM

*********=animal lovers

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Mar-17-13 11:53 AM

Abortion is legal. If you want to have an abortion, fine. That decision is between you and whatever god - or no god - that you commune with. Just don't make me pay for it. Abortion for rape, incest and the life of the mother should not be outlawed and again, would be the decision of the woman and whoever else, including her god. More birth control= fewer abortions. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to pay for your birth control either. A responsible adult will pay for their own birth control.

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Mar-17-13 11:55 AM


Your comment is not biblical so you do not speak to "Heaven" as the Blossom of Abraham" as Paul said that ALL have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.

And the old testament teaches us that the "Sins of the father stretch to even the third generation" - the unborn fetuses...

So sinned Yes. Deserving of Death yes but we have EASTER and that is God's MERCY. So God's Son, Jesus, Paid the price of Sin and that is death. And through Jesus' resurrection we have HOPE and a future with God -Heaven

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Mar-17-13 12:04 PM

Kevin Byrd

This is directed at you sir.

You speak of tolerance for all and that your point of view is the only one that must be considered cause your mind is that of the world.

On what authority do you make things up?

My authority is that of El Elyon - The Most High God.

You said that because you have a nervous system = you have life.

God says,Leviticus 17:14

New International Version (NIV)

"because the life of every creature is its blood. That is why I have said to the Israelites, “You must not eat the blood of any creature, because the life of every creature is its blood; anyone who eats it must be cut off.”

But again I point out you say this is not true but rather its the nervous system not the BLOOD.

So, what if you were to drain all of the blood out of your body but keep your nervous system? Under this condition you say your still ALIVE? I say, your dead.

So the AUTHORITY of the bible remains true some 2,500 years.

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Mar-17-13 12:11 PM

Popcorn time.

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Mar-17-13 12:11 PM


What your saying then is if we do not believe in abortion because the Law of Moses says that shall not "Commit Murder" and further Moses states that the "Life of a creature is in its Blood" and science tells us that Blood Flows in a Fetus at age 6 Weeks - that we should pay for others to have abortions with OUR TAX money through Obama Care?

Why should we give money to support Murder when we BELIEVE in our Heart of Hearts its Murder?

Are you aware that over 5 MILLION people have been Murdered since the 70's?

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Mar-17-13 12:19 PM


How Many Abortions Performed Since 1973? The first step is based on the fact that the CDC reported a 3% drop in the number of abortions between 1996 and 1997. Since AGI reported 1,365,730 abortions in 1996, we arrive at an estimated number of abortions in the U.S. for 1997 at 1,324,758 (the 1996 figure minus 3%). That would raise the figure through 1997 to 36,640,961. But what about 1998 and 1999? To be conservative, we will assume that figure did not decline further - - that the number of abortions for 1998 and for 1999 was the same as for 1997. Under that scenario, AGI's figure would show a total of 38,146,094 abortions from 1973 to 1999 (36,640,961 plus 1,324,758 x two).

Even that figure is incomplete. As AGI itself admits, it is not able to tally all abortions. If one factors in the additional 3% of abortions AGI says may be missed due to underreporting, the total figure since 1973 rises to 39,290,477.

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Mar-17-13 1:18 PM

I know I am wasting my time for even responding to this, but blackwatch, do you have issues with reading comprehension? The author actually quite clearly stated that it is our nervous system which identifies us as human, and makes us a 'person'. He didn't say its the only thing required for us to be 'alive'. Do you enjoy twisting words to your liking? And the author is actually correct. Our blood does not make us a human being, lol. A person can undergo a complete blood transfusion and they are the same person. Try changing the person's nervous system. ;).

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Mar-17-13 1:35 PM

quick question kristina---would you have the guts to kill the child born with nervous system not intact? Or should I say thing, not child?

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Mar-17-13 2:06 PM

Mr.Byrd's statements about the sperm and egg in relation to human life and the embryo are not consistent. The life of a sperm is not the same as the life of an zygote/embryo. Sperm will always be sperm until they die and an egg will always remian an egg until they die. An zygote/embryo is a term of human development. Sperm and egg have no such designation. Therefore, to eqaute zygote/embryo to the life of a sperm or egg is erroneous. It is a comparison between apples and oranges. An embryou in the womb of a woman is a human being. A spern and egg are life, but not human beings. Human being is the distinguishing factor in this debate.

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Mar-17-13 3:31 PM

Apologeticsnow, I'm not sure if the public school you went to included sex education, but you seem grossly confused regarding our reproductive cycle. The sperm and the egg most certainly do sometimes go on to bigger and better things, as anyone who is the product of them can tell you. Not all sperm and eggs remain sperm and eggs until they die, as we can plainly understand. And the sperm and the egg of course are still stages in the human reproductive cycle. To arbitrarily state the human cycle starts at the zygote just because it backs your preconceieved religious notion is intellectually dishonest. The fact is that the woman's egg is alive. The zygote is the union of the sperm and egg, but as has been mentioned, it is not yet a person, but rather the potential for a person. But if killing potential is murder, then letting the egg die is also murder. I'm afraid its you who are inconsistent.

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Mar-17-13 3:39 PM

50'sforever, I realize your question wasn't directed at me, but I can answer as well. It depends on the severity of the NS dysfunction. In developed countries like the U.S. it is more uncommon to have a neonate born with a nervous system so underdeveloped that the infant could have no quality of life or awareness, because these defects are usually picked up early during pregnancy and is either spontaneously or electively aborted. But in cases where it is missed, or when perinatal trauma causes severe brain damage to the point of no significant quality of life, then often the infant is allowed to die. And I would say this is often the right thing to do, since the alternative is dragging on a life for months or years that carries little or no conscious awareness aside from maybe pain.

Wouldn't you agree? Or is dragging this on always better?

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Mar-17-13 4:11 PM

todayalice, do you really want to defend mr. byrd's statement about the sperm and egg as life as life? the abortion debate isn't about life in general, it's about human life. every living thing has life, that goes without saying. it's human life that's the issue. byrd is heading in a dead end with his point, and unfortunately, you follow him. byrd is probably now wishing he'd never started with that approach, because it gets him nowhere. can't we all just agree that there is an essential difference between life in general and human life? byrd's first point is his weakest, not that his other points get any stronger. all arguments in favor of abortion are pathetic, except some are less pathetic than others.

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Mar-17-13 4:24 PM

kawasaki, your post below doesn't seem to have a single valid point in it. The sperm and the egg are part of the human reproductive cycle lol. Just like the zygote is. And has been said ad nauseum, just like the egg and sperm, the zygote is only a stage with the potential to become a 'person'. Just calling someone 'wrong' and ranting doesn't make them wrong. And yes, we can all agree that there is a difference between life in general and human life, but a more important distinction is life in general and being a 'person'. Only an extreme zealout would call a zygote a person. Its a potential person. Just like a sperm or egg. The zyogote must add many more cells to itself before its a 'person'. Just like the sperm or egg must do. A sperm and egg carry the full genetic blueprints of a human, its just that our reproductive system doesn't allow them to propagate until 2 copies of each one are in cell.

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Mar-17-13 4:24 PM

I would suggest some of you read up on sexual reproduction.

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Mar-17-13 5:21 PM

right alice. Pretty specific, but I'm thinking if anyone can justify late term abortion of a healthy child for women's reproductive health, they can justify any amount of disability as for killing also. And like I said, it will be euthanasia of elderly and infirm next. Anyway, this thread got way down the road of technical

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