Hunters Silenced in Gun Debate Editorial?

Your correct 50's if not from one left wing _______ then it is from another. It is the only argument some of them seem to have. A catch all phrase no matter what the topic. And the only ones who believe it a a few of their own. And not even 1/2 of them do. The real losers use it when they have nothing.

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riderr it's always the same. Gay marriage or race baiting. They don't have much else...but the worn out party talking points of the day.

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"In most states gays can't marry whom they choose" Why bring "gays" into a gun commentary. One has nothing to do with the other. Take it to the appropriate forum piity if you insist on talking about it.

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Paul what did the gay, internet, phone and religion have to do with gun control?

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Guns make safe anyone who is smaller, weaker, less brutal than their assailant. Read a NRA magazine for the number of self defense instances. You seldom see them on the news. You probably don't watch Fox.

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"agreed. Last resort. Start with mass civil disobedience." That philosphy worked to end America's involvement in Viet Nam.

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People's rights stop when they infringe or endanger other's right. simple examples, speeding, littering. public intoxication, disturbing the peace etc. Now add a dangerous weapon and it's not just my rights but my life that is endangered so yes I say guns like cars are a privilege that can be taken away.

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In most states gays can't marry whom they choose. My freedom of privacy has been lost not to the gov't but to big business that tracks everything I buy, All phone and internet usage to share with marketers.Try being publicly religious if you're a non-christian. 80% of gunshot victims are not criminals so who do guns make safer?

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Explain please paul.

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"individuals must be willing to give up some opinions and wants "freedoms" And which ones are you willing to give up? Freedom of Speech, religion, assembly, freedom to marry the person of your choice? Other then being willing to give up our right of the 2nd, which ones are you willing to give up "for the good of society as a whole".

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People seem to forget that individuals must be willing to give up some opinions and wants "freedoms" for the good of society as a whole.

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If I was into conspiracy theory, I would think HS is planning to arm their own national police force to do what they suspect soldiers would balk at.

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agreed. Last resort. Start with mass civil disobedience.

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i'm gonna be inclined to agree with the framers of the preamble to the declaration of independence, & john locke as well, in terms of rebellion (against absolute despotism, tyranny. not what we have now) being not only a right, but a duty.

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...But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed..."

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dave i never advocated violent rebellion. myself & 20,000 friends would be no match for the u.s. military. 2 obvious statements.

allow me to expound on my original, although (obviously) borrowed thesis....

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pssssst.....va.....try five million.

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I know of lots who won't participate.

Every nazi said they were just following orders. As much as I admire our military.....they never fare well against indigenous guerilla foces.

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Dave, IF the s$@t ever did hit the fan, don't forget that a huge percentage of police agencies across the country have come out on our side in the gun debate, as it affects them also. You can bet that, as has happened in the past, you would see those in the military split as well. I am not predicting this, I am just saying that I think you underestimate the fury rising over the continued push to strip away our rights and where people's loyalties might fall if push ever did come to shove. And, before you call me paranoid, this is based on a comment recently made by my brother's friend who is currently active in the military.

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@formerlyphil - If rebellion is something you want to try, don't let me stop you. Just be prepared for a long stay in the Hard Time Hilton, because you and any 5,000 of your closest friends are no match for the US military.

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evos I would like to see the states do what has never been done. Run through an amendment. Then I'd like to see some fed judges fired. Put the people back in the driver's seat.

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The system is so cumbersom it makes it impossible to change once it reaches a certain point of self perpetuating corruption. Something akin to revolution must occur to affect the desired change. The politicians won't fire each other.

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dave in VA i disagree with your sentiment that there is no right to rebel. if the ruling party does not legislate to the demands of the general populace & refuses to then it is the right (more importantly, the duty) of the people to change said gov't. & if that cannot be done peaceably then, yes, as a last resort, you know the rest..

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Hey, it worked!

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