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Committee Discusses NY SAFE Act

Legislators Look To Pass Motion To Repeal Act

February 21, 2013

MAYVILLE — A controversial New York state law is causing some conversation within the County Legislature. The Public Safety Committee discussed the NY SAFE Act during its Wednesday meeting....

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1laona

Feb-25-13 2:44 PM

There will be a charter bus leaving for the Albany Rally to repeal the NEW YORK SAFE ACT on 2/28/13 at 5:30AM.(Those that had a Jamestown bus please check to make sure it's still going).Leaves from Dunkirk/Fredonia Plaza(parking behind BigLots)Cost$50 a seat,contact Bill at 716-672-6210

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1laona

Feb-25-13 2:39 PM

Legislators who will vote "repeal the NY SAFE ACT"Croscut,Stewart,Runkle,Tarbox,HorriganBorrello,Barmore,Gould,Hemmer,Wendel,Heenan,Scudder.These have answered my emails.If you have any others please add them.

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ru4real

Feb-23-13 7:48 AM

This governor is not a freedom loving American but a dictator elitist ruler out of control working on destroying any constitution rights or freedom New Yorkers and Americans have. Impeach now!!breaking vow to protect Should be an imprisonable offense to protect we the people against these tyrants

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ru4real

Feb-23-13 7:42 AM

EVEN OUR MUZZLE LOADERS that have thumbhole grips in stock will make you a felon. BULLLLSHHH!TTTT

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ru4real

Feb-23-13 7:40 AM

clips for shotguns are banned ans e felonies thumb hole grips in stocks just how do these features make shotguns assault weapons?? the features add to better marksmanship which leads to safety and this governor made them felonies!!NUTZ!!!JUST NUTZ!!

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Badnewsbear

Feb-22-13 4:11 PM

If that does not work due to the masking this site does, go to youtube and search for "Assault Weapons Myths". The video was posted by username minimorley22 and the officer's name is Leroy Pyle.

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Badnewsbear

Feb-22-13 4:08 PM

Here you go Howard. This is a police officer/firearms instructor explaining the difference. As you'll see, the politicians and media are not accurate in their portrayal.(copy paste and remove the spaces): ***********youtube****/watch?hl=en&client=mv-google&gl=US&v=STeyS6LYIx4&nomobile=1

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Badnewsbear

Feb-22-13 3:34 PM

Rider brings up a great point that I had forgotten about because all of the focus keeps getting put on the AR15's. If you have a rifle, of any caliber, if it has any of those cosmetic characteristics it is now considered an assault weapon under this bill. I cannot stress this enough: Cosmetics do not change the functionality or capabilities of the gun!! A black plastic stock does not make the gun more dangerous than a wood stock. This is all propaganda to push the political agendas of those trying to impose greater control over the public. There is no other reason for this. The problem is that there are too many people that do not know the difference and do not take the time to educate themselves. This would be like saying a can of beer is OK, but the same size bottle of beer is dangerous. Stop the madness......

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OMG2012

Feb-22-13 3:30 PM

There will be a rally on Saturday, February 23rd at the Frewsburg Fire Department Blue Building, Frewsburg, NY, from 12 noon to 4 pm. Guest speakers include; Assemblyman Andrew Goodell, Steven Alstadt of SCOPENY, representatives of Senator Cathy Young and Congressman Tom Reed.

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OMG2012

Feb-22-13 3:05 PM

Howard, You should go to a gun show and to educate your self.

Nina, Where is the meeting on the 27th?

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Badnewsbear

Feb-22-13 1:57 PM

Howard, if you strip off the cosmetic pieces, down to simply the mechanisms of the gun, there is no difference whatsoever. Same parts = same capabilities. I'll try to find and post a video showing a firearms expert stripping the stock off a .223 hunting rifle and outfitting it with the so-called "assault weapon" cosmetics. It takes less than 5 minutes and there is no functional difference in the gun itself or its capabilities, simply appearance. The politicians want to make you think people are running around with machine guns. It's completely untrue.

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Howard

Feb-22-13 12:31 PM

Badnewsbear, How many at one time (clip) and how quickly (terms of seconds per bullet) will the AR15 fire? If there are differences (modifications) please give me the spectrum. Thanks

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Badnewsbear

Feb-22-13 12:00 PM

Howard, we wouldn't have to have "the discussion" if everyone did their homework and understood the topic. As far as the AR15, it is simply a .223 caliber rifle, nothing special. Not the biggest, not the smallest, just right in the middle of the firearm spectrum. Let's go back to my car example. Let's equate a .223 hunting rifle to a plain white car, 6cyl engine, auto transmission. Now, let's take that same car, paint it black, add a spoiler, tint the windows black and add racing stripes. Will that car go faster now? Is it more dangerous or scary? Nope. Same deal with an AR15. It's the same internal machinery as your everyday hunting rifle with just some "sprucing up" on the outside. It fires the same projectile at the same speed. Now explain why this weapon should be banned, but the exact same rifle, that has a different appearance is fine?

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Howard

Feb-22-13 11:17 AM

Also, Badnewsbear, when you say there are no grey areas - that is your opinion. If everyone agreed on this subject then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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Howard

Feb-22-13 11:15 AM

Badnewsbear, I have said all along I am against military assault rifles. If there are none out there then we are on the same page! This ar15 (which I know nothing about) seemed to have taken a lot of lives in a short period of time. So I see why people are having a problem with that particular weapon if it is easily attainable.

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Badnewsbear

Feb-22-13 10:59 AM

And Howard, if these videos truly do show a licensed dealer selling without a background check, then they are breaking the law and should be held accountable. As with everything else, there are people who break the law, but that should not open the doors for the government to swoop in and take rights away from those who are not breaking the law. This law does nothing but restrict the rights of those who follow the law and will have zero effect on those who don't. We have more than enough gun laws in place already. Have they stopped criminals? No. Have they affected the rights of law abiding citizens? Yes. Again, no gray areas...

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Badnewsbear

Feb-22-13 10:53 AM

Howard, I disagree. This is an extremely black and white issue with a lot of politicians and uninformed individuals attempting to blur the lines. Calling these guns that they are trying to ban "assault weapons" is like me telling you that my tabby cat is a lion. Assault weapons are not legal, nor have they been for a long time. What they are trying to ban are more appropriately called sporting rifles and have nothing, other than appearance, in common with a true assault weapon. Gee, I can go paint a number on the side of my car, does that make it a race car? Come on, at least look into something before you argue for it.

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Howard

Feb-22-13 10:30 AM

Badnewsbear, apparently the Washington Times have not seen the undercover videos that I have seen at trade shows. Besides, as you stated this is just a small part of the problem with much difficulty controlling the gun "grabbers". Perhaps if stricter laws were in place many years ago there would not be so many guns out there to be traded. But of course this is a moot point.

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Howard

Feb-22-13 10:21 AM

Badnewsbear, the loophole is below. Cuomo lost (and knew he would) many points with this legislation - strange way to prepare for a presidential run. Have Cuomo's supporters seemed to have, or have, conceded this was for political aspirations. Big difference there. I will believe you without demanding quotes as most do here as I accept people at their word. I have conceded today in another article that I am not up to speed on what I thought was the registering of guns. Not knowing exactly what a certain type of gun is, where it is made, what it looks like, etc. still gives me the opportunity to give my opinion on military assault rifles. I get that term "military assault rifle" from every news organization that is available. So, no, I am not an expert on guns and as I said in that other article this is a controversy with no simple black and white answers.

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Badnewsbear

Feb-22-13 10:11 AM

From the Washington Times: "The “gun-show loophole” is an exaggeration designed to foster the false impression that this is how the bad guys acquire firearms. A 2001 Justice Department survey found 0.7 percent of state and federal prison inmates bought their weapons at a gun show. Gun shows aren’t the equivalent of the Wild West. The vast majority of vendors at the shows are fully licensed dealers who must run the FBI check at the time of sale. What the gun grabbers are really after are transactions between private individuals trading or selling their personal property."

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Badnewsbear

Feb-22-13 10:00 AM

Howard, the arguments to support this act are fraught with misinformation and outright lies. First off, Cuomo acted not out of emotion or sense of duty, but out of his own political aspirations to be President. Even supporters seem to have conceded this fact. Secondly, can you even explain what this dreaded "gun-show loophole" is? All of these political talking points keep getting thrown around and most people don't have any idea what they are talking about, similar to using terms like "military-type assault weapons". They are just taking these out-for-themselves politicians word for it. Do your homework before you support someone whose motives are suspicious at best. Also, I'm so sick of hearing "something had to be done" or "we must act now". WHY???? Do you always do something simply for the sake of doing it, even if it's not thought out and will likely not have the intended results? The only thing that really had to be done was to a

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Howard

Feb-22-13 9:58 AM

50s4ever, the gun show loophole at gun conventions is that anyone from anywhere can walk in and buy any gun without any identification. No waiting period. Nothing. As easy as buying a pack of gum. Travel may be necessary as conventions (as there definition implies) are only held so often in different arenas.

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50s4ever

Feb-22-13 9:49 AM

ru4real---actually the 1911 colt is a 7 rd mag. Should sell a lot of them.

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50s4ever

Feb-22-13 9:48 AM

Howard-What is that gun show loophole?

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Howard

Feb-22-13 8:37 AM

ru4real, Giving up on the 7 round clip is what I meant about tweaking the bill. The Governor lost polling points big time after he proposed this bill. He may have acted in haste but he felt something should be done and acted emotionally too soon after Sandy Hook.

sweatyteddy4prez, I assumed the waiting period and the background check was the same as registering a gun. I should not of written about something I am not fully aware of. I do not believe it should be business as usual, however, especially the loopholes at gun show conventions.

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