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ATF Needs The Right Tools To Control Violent Crimes

February 8, 2013

To the Readers’ Forum: We know many of your readers share our concerns regarding the appalling number of senseless gun violence deaths each year....

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GioAllie

Feb-15-13 4:48 PM

"Wow, Dexter, you killed this thread-----"--he sure did. Where do they find these people?

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GioAllie

Feb-14-13 9:52 PM

Mr. ATF person, would have background checks helped during your tenure, and would that not help law enforcement today and would any recommendations by this "the worst administration" that may want "bad things to happen," have helped make your job easier, and keep more Americans alive?

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50s4ever

Feb-12-13 7:16 PM

Wow Dexter. You killed this thread as dead as Schumer's soul.

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Dexter

Feb-11-13 2:03 AM

I was an ATF agent for ten years. Gun registration will do nothing, otherwise we would have pushed for it. The only tool we ever needed was to be allowed to enforce current laws. In fact, you coul eliminate ninety percent of the gun laws on the books and only enforce ten percent o the ones not being currently enforced, and there would be a dramatic difference. The current administration is the worst ever at enforcement. It's almost as though they want bad things to happen. And then when they do, they push their agenda instead of working with the tools they have.

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50s4ever

Feb-10-13 5:12 PM

I was too young for Ole Miss, out of the Army the year of Little Rock, but I did make a couple of hot days and thunderstorm nights at the Selma-Montgomery march. Unless you have been around a bit, and I can tell you haven't, do not presume to educate me on that period.

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50s4ever

Feb-10-13 4:32 PM

Wow. You have a very poor opinion of Southerners. Truman signed an exec order desegregating the military his last Summer in office, but Ike actually did it. Ike also sent troops and US marshals to Little Rock. He twice wrote voting rights protection. You have a very skewed education of those days. You and many millions like you are the reason we have so many problems today. And that, my friend is the fault of the Democratic party. Never been to Ms. except passing through.

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50s4ever

Feb-10-13 4:05 PM

They were,I didn't and you show your predjudice and lack of education.

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Emelye

Feb-10-13 1:42 PM

On the one hand I read about people and the NRA complaining that we don't properly enforce existing gun laws so why should more gun laws be passed and then the same people - the ones on the right - do everything they can (like blocking presidential appointments) to make the enforcement harder. Go figure!

If the ATF is not doing a good job, fix it. Don't hobble it by limiting funding or leadership. If a national registration scheme is unacceptable then figure out a better way to track firearms without tying them to a location or owner. It's not impossible.

I see far too much irrational, emotional and impractical positions taken by both sides of this debate. Get real, people!

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50s4ever

Feb-10-13 10:50 AM

Allie did you read Obama's books? Do you read anything not put out by extremists?

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GioAllie

Feb-10-13 9:00 AM

post election stress syndrome.

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50s4ever

Feb-10-13 7:51 AM

Allie without it, your party would be on the rocks. lol..remember how every black poitician who is not a prog is treated by you great lovers of diversity.

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50s4ever

Feb-10-13 7:43 AM

Monkeyboy...you need too much schooling on the subject for this forum. I have a feeling you never dealt with racism any more than you did the ATF.

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GioAllie

Feb-09-13 9:14 PM

just don't mention race, and it's gone. Bet you all never knew it was that simple did ya?

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50s4ever

Feb-09-13 8:45 PM

I've said it before and of course will offend someone again, but the Democratic party hijacked the civil rights movment at at the moment it was complete. The lawyers, politicians and scam artists have made a living and political capital keeping racism alive in the media at all costs. Even in the days of Frederick Douglass there was a cottage industry of traveling liars about slavery, including phony Uncle Tom hangers on. Douglass spoke of it. So many young minds have heard nothing but that propaganda we end up with a generation of monkeyboys and Gioallies to mention two. Once again....end all mention of race, and you'll be surprised how fast racism disppears. Except a few ignorants of all ethnic groups of course.

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FedUpL8ly

Feb-09-13 8:09 PM

donkeyboy, you must have gotten your version of history from a Wikipedia page edited by a liberal. A Republican administration freed the slaves which caused Southerners to join the opposition party (Democrats) for nearly a century. Then,as before, the winds of change blew them into the opposition party. Now, I suppose you think the Republicans could have kept them from joining their party. No more so than today's Democratic Party has prevented the Socialists from taking control of the Democratic Party. There are some Democrats very unhappy that Communists have openly been appointed to positions in the Obama Administration. Nearly half of the House Democrats are members of the Democratic Socialists of America.

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FedUpL8ly

Feb-09-13 7:56 PM

Gio= You're wrong about Howard's comment. Reread his comment and you'll see that Howard claimed Fast and Furious started under Bush. It's right there in plain sight. It's been pointed out several times quite clearly that there were distinct differences between Bush and Obama policies. Like most of Obama acolytes, Howard tries to have it both ways.

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50s4ever

Feb-09-13 4:35 PM

Obviously you weren't there monkey. Is there an indoctination camp nearby, or did you get this on line?

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Pharyngula

Feb-09-13 2:30 PM

Fedup People would disagree with me if I said the sky is blue on a clear day, it is a badge of honor. I don't see why you see a political angle in the incitements made in 2010, if the prosecutors thought they could get convictions with the evidence they had then they should try to do so. Obama started of his administration by not going after the previous administration for their misdeeds.

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GioAllie

Feb-09-13 2:19 PM

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50s4ever

Feb-09-13 1:28 PM

Gioallie IF YOU KEEP SHOUTING YOU WILL CERTAINLY BE HEARD!

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GioAllie

Feb-09-13 12:36 PM

Even a 10year old can tell.

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GioAllie

Feb-09-13 12:36 PM

THE 11:27am accusation against Howard is a total distortion and intentional misquote- The 2-8-13@8;17am IS CLEAR, AND REFUTES THAT BASELESS ACCUSATION .Read it.

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FedUpL8ly

Feb-09-13 11:50 AM

Phary- I don't know why people disagreed with your 10:12PM and 10:27PM commentsbecause they are correct. But I ask you to think about your 10:09PM post a little bit. It's factual but what does it really reveal? An Obama administration that will do its utmost to discredit political opponents while ignoring even more blatant misdeeds perpetrated by its own administration. The Bush admin. shut down "Wide Receiver" due to mediocre results. The Obama admin. then initiates a much worse operation with much more disastrous results and holds noone accountable in their fiasco. And we've seen it done over and over by Barack Obama. No accountability for those who screw-up in his admin. but he's quite willing to go over the top against others.

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FedUpL8ly

Feb-09-13 11:27 AM

Howard, I refer you to the 9:20PM post by loneriderr which clearly stated the difference between Bush and Obama policies. I even asked a visiting 10-year old to read the post and tell me if they were basically the same. Even the 10-year old could see that there was a fundamental difference between the two. And Howard, in your original comment you stated that Fast and Furious started under Bush. You never mentioned "Wide Receiver". So your latest post claiming otherwise is false and misleading.

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Pharyngula

Feb-09-13 9:58 AM

""At the time, under the Bush administration Department of Justice (DOJ), no arrests or indictments were made. After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers. Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded. As of October 4, 2011, nine people had been charged with making false statements in acquisition of firearms and illicit transfer, shipment or delivery of firearms.[23] As of November, charges against one defendant had been dropped; five of them had pled guilty, and one had been sentenced to one year and one day in prison. Two of them remained fugitives.[31]"

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