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Area Churches Should Rally Support

January 25, 2013

To the Readers Forum: It’s been said that we’ve got just as many churches as we’ve got bars....

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jamestownfan18

Jan-25-13 12:39 AM

The author is on to something. Churches increasingly fall back on gov't aid.

We demand entitlement reform [which we should], but the amount of tax revenue lost to religious institutions each year exceeds the entire food stamp program by about double.

Its estimated that we lose 71+ Billion dollars per year in lost tax revenue to the church, due to their tax free status. If churches want to remain tax free, then they should meet the same minimum standards as secular non-profits [who must disclose their financial records and meet strict standards]...

People don't target the church like this, because its taboo. But we should. If we want to be more fiscally responsible, we need to look at ALL angles as a country. Tax reform, more responsible spending, entitlement reform, start making churches meet the same criteria as secular non-profits, etc...

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BudZilla

Jan-25-13 12:45 AM

Raze the churches and raise your expectations. You only have ONE life, and it is passing you by as you read this.

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imforgiven

Jan-25-13 6:44 AM

If you want to know what the church is all about or what they stand for go visit them on Sunday morning don't wait for a fundraiser.

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nonfiction

Jan-25-13 6:58 AM

JamestownFan

Thats not necessarily churches that are the problem. It places like hertiage village they are a "Christian" retirement home so they can be labeled a non-profit. It is the largest business by far in the Cassadaga Valley SD and yet they fall under a religious establishment when it comes to taxes.

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50s4ever

Jan-25-13 7:01 AM

nonfiction-you are fogetting the unions.

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samaritan111

Jan-25-13 7:22 AM

The churches fall under the Church and as Christians more of us ought to follow the guidelines that are put forth in the book of Acts. We ought to be outside the four walls (or many more walls in many cases)and helping those in need. This help should be to local, national and international(Acts 1:8)but it cant be just monetary support we also are concerned with their eternal well being. The churches need to be more than a clubhouse but an extension of the love Christ offered us. Yes I am an ambassador for Christ and would like to see more of the church goers be ambassadors for Him and do as He has commanded. With all that being said - it is easy to point out what we don't do but truly only a fraction of what is being done gets discussed as many do not believe we should be parading our good deeds just to be seen as the Pharisees would do.

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nonfiction

Jan-25-13 7:41 AM

50s you are forgetting the NRA.

Bad argument. What you are referring is why Unions do not pay taxes on the dues they collect. Same reason why the NRA doesn't on its membership fees.

The heritage village situation, would be like if the union owned the shop and didn't pay any taxes.

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madman

Jan-25-13 7:48 AM

The day of churches being tax free should be over. We as a society can no longer afford to give churches a free ride while they continue to use the same services as we do. Churches need to pay something in property taxes. As for the Catholic churches (and I am Catholic)if you want to know where all the money goes, it gets "kicked up" to the bishop. Watch the movie The Godfather to see how it works. Captains (all churches) kick up money to the bosses (bishops). So all of your contributions do not go to help the poor, or keep catholic schools open. Things need to change.

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KabobBilly

Jan-25-13 8:06 AM

A church is the people that belong. They meet in a building and that building is tax free. The people (The Church) pay more than their fair share of taxes. The church to which I belong gave away nearly $50K last year to people that lost their homes, had medical bills or were hungry. This was local giving. On top of that we gave to Haiti, Africa and other areas of need. In the past we gave thousands to the Gulf Coast and sent several missionary teams there to help rebuild. We also sent money and people to Haiti after the earthquake. We are a small chuch of around 200 people. We can do together what we can not do alone.

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50s4ever

Jan-25-13 8:27 AM

What does that retirement home do with all the money they get tax free? More than any union does. Or the NRA. And bettter than the government. I bet it doesn't look like the projects.

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XJTownres

Jan-25-13 9:42 AM

St Johns and St James has the the Italian Festival. Also I am pretty sure St. James has spagetthi dinners once or twice a year to raise money for a specific cause

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nonfiction

Jan-25-13 10:12 AM

They cannot produce a profit, so that means they need to either give it away, put the money back into their facilities and/or they need to give bonuses to their employees. Yes its very nice in there.

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billraynor

Jan-25-13 10:57 AM

"A church is the people that belong. They meet in a building and that building is tax free. The people (The Church) pay more than their fair share of taxes." No, this argument makes as much sense as saying that McDonalds is just the employees and customers, who already pay taxes. No, a church is a business, whether we like it or not. The church takes tithes and donations and has other sources of revenue, and some of them are very rich. 15 foot stained glass windows aren't cheap. The church is a business, usually has significant income and takes up land, and should be taxed.

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PleaseWakeUp

Jan-25-13 11:21 AM

What frustrates me with churches is the fact that everything is a "fundraiser". Instead of charging for a pancake supper or some other meal/event, it should be open to ALL in the community. Churches shun people instead of opening their doors with arms out.

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50s4ever

Jan-25-13 12:32 PM

wakeup-you mean you went to a church fund raiser dinner and was refused entry? Oh, I get it. You don't go to participate, just receive the bennies. Try that with one of Obama's fund raisers.

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LindaD

Jan-25-13 1:38 PM

In regard to religious non-profits like Heritage Village: as with secular non-profits, the administrators get paid big $$$ while too often the folks doing the dirty work (sometimes quite literally) make very little. I'm NOT in favor of taxing either secular or religious necessarily if their work is worthwhile for the community, and I think that that's measured in the percentage of their funds they spend on services to the community.

I think that any non-profit that doesn't use a minimum percentage of its funds on providing services should have its status revoked (that may be how it works now).

As for churches, I think that they should be treated like secular non-profits and publicly account for how they spend their funds, including having a minimal standard of spending on services to the community at large. After all, that is the assumption behind their tax-free status: that they give back to their community NOT just to their own members.

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LindaD

Jan-25-13 1:40 PM

Monkeyboy: Well said.

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50s4ever

Jan-25-13 3:17 PM

So the unions give to others, not just their own? Right. Im seeing the massive impact the entitlement attitude has.

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50s4ever

Jan-25-13 3:19 PM

Gays being allowed to marry wasn't made political by religion. My god, you people are brainwashed.

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BrendaP

Jan-25-13 3:42 PM

The last time I looked, many bars have closed in the last 8-10 years. The new bars don't make it and the last time I drove around, the bars are few and far between..Get your facts straight.

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Jazzie

Jan-25-13 4:36 PM

BrendaP, have you ever been outside the Chautauqua County for any great length of time? Maybe it's time to get YOUR facts straight for once.

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kristina12

Jan-25-13 5:28 PM

Brenda, get over your bitterness that you couldn't keep your bar.

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Jazzie

Jan-25-13 10:31 PM

At least there are those who support jobs and value human life over cancerous smoking. I proudly support those eateries who allow allow my spouse and I to eat and drink in a smoke free environment.

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GioAllie

Jan-26-13 9:06 AM

some find it impossible to make non political comments on even non political issues, their extreme partizanship "oozes" from them.

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duckster

Jan-26-13 10:11 AM

praise the Lord and pass the ammunition...hmm

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