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Forget Personal Freedom, Worry About Others

January 17, 2013

To the Readers’ Forum: The motto of America is “In God we Trust,” yet it seems as though guns and freedom are more important than trusting in God....

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FedUpL8ly

Jan-17-13 1:41 AM

What a simplistic letter. Although Mr. Vos doesn't use it as an example, perhaps he would like more victims to read poetry to those that attack them and then trust in God. There are many instances in the Bible where God tells people to fight for themselves. God did not command not to KILL but,instead,not to MURDER. It would indeed be a wonderful world where everyone respected the rights of others but unfortunately that is not the world we live in.

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jamestownfan18

Jan-17-13 1:52 AM

oh, poor fedup...

No,its only a 'simplistic' letter because it goes against his preconceived notions about gun laws.

The facts are that if we want to try to minimize senseless murders, we need to look at all angles. Better mental health screening, stricter gun laws, everything.

Its only 'simplistic' when we go against a gun rights agenda.

Folks, this problem is complicated. Lets not pretend its simple.

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jamestownfan18

Jan-17-13 1:55 AM

This could possibly be the most danderous sentence ever uttered in these forums: "God did not command not to KILL but,instead,not to MURDER."

And who decides what is 'killing' and what is 'murdering'?? You?? Comments like this are why we should understand that stricter gun laws are part of the solution...

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BudZilla

Jan-17-13 4:27 AM

Bringing a supposed God into the equation foolishly dilutes the fact that a mentally deranged individual did the killing.

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BudZilla

Jan-17-13 4:27 AM

Blaming it on guns is a cop-out, because a determined psychopath would as easily used any of countless other means, some of them much more destructive.

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Larry1

Jan-17-13 6:08 AM

Just how am I going to save my own life against an intruder if you take away my personal freedoms? Who is going to protect me? The police only write reports after the incident.

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GenLee

Jan-17-13 6:39 AM

Ed your employer does very well for a place that takes a myriad of insurances for mental health services, and then often lets its consumers sit idly by in the afternoon when there's serious down because of no work. And very often there is no work to be had there. Is it a wonder why many people there get depressed and have the mental problems they do? I'd be depressed all the time too if I had to sit around and do nothing.

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GenLee

Jan-17-13 6:40 AM

And, um, in some variations of the bible it commands us not to kill. What's the difference? Nothing, they're still about the intentional taking of life.

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imforgiven

Jan-17-13 6:42 AM

What do you think murder is? It's killing and one of the ten commandments is thou shall not kill.

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troglodyte

Jan-17-13 6:59 AM

What a tangle of ignorance and naivete. The writer takes the liberal approach. Rather than do his homework, he exhibits his ignorance as a badge of honor and turns to his emotions as justification to promote enforcement of contradictory and half baked ideas.

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Seadog

Jan-17-13 8:13 AM

"The facts are that if we want to try to minimize senseless murders, we need to look at all angles. Better mental health screening, stricter gun laws, everything".

Once again Jamestownfan tends to leave out one piece in his lefty post - notice how he fails to mention ANYTHING about the bad guys? Stricter gun laws?? How about ENFORCING the laws already on the books? How about mandatory prison sentances of 20 years for anyone using a gun during the commission of a crime? How about our own government giving thousands of those "terrible assult weapons" to the drug lords oin Mexico?

Just tell us one thing Jimmyfan, how is anything that King Obama or Prince Cuomo decreed yesterday going to effect the bad guy. Just one. thing

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PleaseWakeUp

Jan-17-13 9:25 AM

Great Letter!

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PleaseWakeUp

Jan-17-13 9:27 AM

Larry, How is a semi-automatic TOY going to save your life?

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Howard

Jan-17-13 9:32 AM

Very well written.

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duckster

Jan-17-13 9:35 AM

Gun laws don't work. If you followed that logic then Chicago and the DC area would be the safest places on earth. However, I like some of the laws on the books now. I see no particular reason to own an automatic rifle or have a .50 Cal.Machine gun mounted on my porch. If you think you can resist the "gubmnt" just remember that an Apache gunship helicopter can ruin your entire day..

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Pharyngula

Jan-17-13 9:41 AM

Seadog Sill can't read the law for yourself? "Provisions Related to Persons with Mental Illness

Amendments to the Mental Hygiene Law will help ensure that persons who are mentally ill and dangerous cannot retain or obtain a firearm. First, mental health records that are currently sent to NIDCS for a federal background check will also be housed in a New York State database. A new Section 9.46 of the Mental Hygiene Law will require mental health professionals, in the exercise of reasonable professional judgment, to report if an individual they are treating is likely to engage in conduct that will cause serious harm to him- or herself or others."

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Pharyngula

Jan-17-13 9:43 AM

" A good faith decision about whether to report will not be a basis for any criminal or civil liability. When a Section 9.46 report is made, the Division of Criminal Justice Services will determine whether the person possesses a firearms license and, if so, will notify the appropriate local licensing official, who must suspend the license. The person's firearms will then be removed."

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Pharyngula

Jan-17-13 9:45 AM

"Several sections of the bill create new and enhanced penalties for illegal gun use. Sections 33 through 36, known as "Mark's Law," will include the intentional murder of certain first responders in the Class A-1 felonies of murder in the first degree and aggravated murder. The mandatory penalty for a conviction of aggravated murder is life without parole."

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mrinbetween

Jan-17-13 9:45 AM

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danyay

Jan-17-13 9:46 AM

Stupidest thing I've read in a long time.

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Pharyngula

Jan-17-13 9:47 AM

"A new Penal Law Section 460.22, aggravated enterprise corruption, recognizes the significant threat to public safety posed by organized violent gangs and their illegal purchases of weapons by creating an A-1 felony for cases when members of the enterprise commit certain combinations of offenses. Those combinations are: first, a pattern of criminal activity that constitutes Class B felonies or higher, and at least two of those acts are armed felonies; or second, one act is a Class B violent felony and two acts constitute a violation of the newly added Section 265.17 (3) which prohibits the purchase on behalf of or disposal of a weapon to an individual who is prohibited by law from possessing such a weapon. This provision also addresses the issue of "straw purchasers" where individuals who are not prohibited by law to purchase weapons do so for others, for example, gang members who may not possess a weapon because of a prior conviction or other disability under law."

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mrinbetween

Jan-17-13 9:47 AM

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Pharyngula

Jan-17-13 9:49 AM

"Under current New York law, background checks on purchasers are required for all purchases of guns from gun dealers and at gun shows, however, individuals that purchase guns through private sellers are not required to undergo background checks. This bill requires background checks for all gun sales, including private sales, ensuring that otherwise disqualified individuals cannot circumvent the law by obtaining guns buying from a private seller."

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Larry1

Jan-17-13 10:07 AM

PleaseWakeUp – Several rounds into the chest of an intruder seems to be effective in stopping them. Duh!

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bobbybill

Jan-17-13 11:09 AM

"Just how am I going to save my own life against an intruder if you take away my personal freedoms" man, jamestown must have really gone down hill since i was there last. Are there a lot of instances Larry where people break down your door with a gun in their hand? or is it you being a bit paranoid that "they" are out there just waiting for the big bad gbmnt to take away your guns, then let the fun begin.

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