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Face Evil On Three Fronts

January 7, 2013

To the Reader’s Forum: The horror of evil devastated Newtown, Conn.. We are left to cope with the fallout, agony, and questions gripping us....

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pbjlevan

Jan-12-13 7:21 PM

Chris Rock had it right...charge $5000 for each bullet that way your very selective about who you shoot.No more drive by shootings.

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Pharyngula

Jan-12-13 10:15 AM

"Phar, granted, there may have been some detectable progressivism in ther quotes you use, but they have to do taxes which are not income. " Here is the quote one more time, focus on the last word. "The farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of this country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings.” Earnings and income are the same thing. Show any evidence otherwise.

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Pharyngula

Jan-11-13 8:45 PM

" What does that have to do with saying a prayer to God Almighty in a school that has nothing to do with the federal government or the subject in the article you site? Your quotation is irrelevant." With the bewildering assortment of God Almighty's to choose from how can the government pick the right one?

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Pharyngula

Jan-11-13 8:17 PM

" As far as tax policy, Jefferson would be in strong opposition to the progressive income tax system that Obama wants on us." Yes and all you need do is ignore what Jefferson actually said on the subject. Is this what you learn in seminary?

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Pharyngula

Jan-11-13 7:57 PM

" Income taxes are not the same as income taxes." A new milestone in logical thought!!

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apologeticsnow

Jan-11-13 7:19 PM

Phar, granted, there may have been some detectable progressivism in ther quotes you use, but they have to do taxes which are not income. Do you really think Jefferson would have supported the kind of progressivism that Obama is imposing on us today? The tariffs would have been on goods coming in from other countries and therefore on their rich and since they can be imposed on exports, I suppose it would have meant on some rich in our country but notice how less direct it is comapered to income taxes. Income taxes are not the same as income taxes. As far as tax policy, Jefferson would be in strong opposition to the progressive income tax system that Obama wants on us.

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apologeticsnow

Jan-11-13 7:13 PM

Phar, you write, Joseph Story "“The remaining part of the [Article VI, paragraph 3 of the U.S. Constitution] declares, that ‘no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.’ This clause is not introduced merely for the purpose of satisfying the scruples of many persons, who feel an invincible repugnance to any religious test, or affirmation. It had a higher objective: to cut off for ever every pretence [sic] of any alliance between church and state in the national government.”[16]"

Good one!!" What does that have to do with saying a prayer to God Almighty in a school that has nothing to do with the federal government or the subject in the article you site? Your quotation is irrelevant.

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apologeticsnow

Jan-11-13 7:11 PM

Monkey, in response to your statement saying, "The argument that since no one had tried to stop school prayer before 1962 it was intended by the founding fathers, is just ridiculous," I wrote, "How so? Haven't you read what Thomas Jefferson and Joeph Story have said concerning the reading the Constitution especially as it pertains to the court? In case you have not, the courts outrageous and distorted intepretation is totally contrary to the orginal meaning of the amendment the rogue judges twisted for their agenda." So you in repsonse you write, Why don't we just make YOU the Supreme Court, Mel? You seem to believe that you know way more about the constitution than all 12 of them. Quite the ego."

Your snide and sarcastic response doesn't come close to the direct questions you were asked. Do you have a substantive answer to the direct questions?

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Pharyngula

Jan-11-13 2:16 PM

Why the sudden shyness?

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Pharyngula

Jan-11-13 2:15 PM

And "Letter to Madison 1785 "Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise. " Written after walking a mile in France with a poor woman."

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Pharyngula

Jan-11-13 2:14 PM

And I replied with ""In 1811, two years after Jefferson left the Presidency, Jefferson wrote a letter to General Thaddeus Kosciuszko, a hero of the American Revolution. Jefferson said that he supported taxes (then tariffs, since there was no income tax yet) falling entirely on the wealthy. As Jefferson explained: “The farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of this country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings.”

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Pharyngula

Jan-11-13 2:12 PM

Snow As you have brought up Jefferson, a short time ago you asked "Phar, give the evidence of Thomas Jefferson wanting to impose on us the progressive income tax of the Communist Manifesto which Obama wants. Demonstrate how he used the term progressive when it came to taxes as Obama did."

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Pharyngula

Jan-11-13 1:57 PM

Joseph Story "“The remaining part of the [Article VI, paragraph 3 of the U.S. Constitution] declares, that ‘no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.’ This clause is not introduced merely for the purpose of satisfying the scruples of many persons, who feel an invincible repugnance to any religious test, or affirmation. It had a higher objective: to cut off for ever every pretence [sic] of any alliance between church and state in the national government.”[16]"

Good one!!

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Pharyngula

Jan-11-13 1:46 PM

Or all nine of them.

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formerlyphil

Jan-11-13 12:32 PM

man how about all that amish gun violence?

the amish have a lot of God & a lot of guns. they're shooting each other up at an alarming rate!

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apologeticsnow

Jan-10-13 5:16 PM

Monkey, when you say, "The argument that since no one had tried to stop school prayer before 1962 it was intended by the founding fathers, is just ridiculous." How so? Haven't you read what Thomas Jefferson and Joeph Story have said concerning the reading the Constitution especially as it pertains to the court? In case you have not, the courts outrageous and distorted intepretation is totally contrary to the orginal meaning of the amendment the rogue judges twisted for their agenda.

"Every case the Supreme Court hears is a refinement of law and of understanding of the Constitution." Who says? You? You mean that the Constitution was not clear enough when it was written and explained thoroughly enough through the Federalist Papers that judges far removed from the setting in which it was written know more about it than the ones who wrote it.

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BudZilla

Jan-09-13 11:12 PM

Praying to Thor would have been as effective as praying to Yahweh.

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apologeticsnow

Jan-09-13 9:19 PM

Linda, when you say, "How would prayer in schools have prevented the Newtown school massacre, Rev Mel, since Adam Lanza wasn't a current student at that school? Are you claiming that his psychological problems would have been "fixed" by mumbling the same few words daily?" I made no such assertion of saying that prayer would have prevented the murder. I was just observing the absense of prayer to God Almighty and that the absence of God who is good, opens up evil to set in. In the absence of prayer we leave ourselves more vulnerable to evil than we already are. That's all I was saying.

"What would have prevented the Newtown school massacre, Rev Mel, was Adam Lanza NOT being able to get his hands on the guns he used to murder those children and their teachers and principal." A gun free gun control zone sure didn't stop him. A trained well armed administrator or teacher would have been much more likely to stop it than citizens stuck in a gun free zone ob

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LindaD

Jan-09-13 6:11 PM

How would prayer in schools have prevented the Newtown school massacre, Rev Mel, since Adam Lanza wasn't a current student at that school? Are you claiming that his psychological problems would have been "fixed" by mumbling the same few words daily?

What would have prevented the Newtown school massacre, Rev Mel, was Adam Lanza NOT being able to get his hands on the guns he used to murder those children and their teachers and principal.

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apologeticsnow

Jan-09-13 4:27 PM

Em, shouldn't we step back and look at the origianl intent of the those who wrote the Constitution rather than what we in the 21st century want it to say? If prayer was done daily in school up until 1962 and nothing during our founding ever was meant to ban prayer in school and by the school, then isn't reasonable to believe that judges who reversed the 100 year plus policy were pushing their own agenda and not being objective by the standards and meanings the amendment was first written? .

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Jazzie

Jan-09-13 4:26 PM

Overdrive, what's your point? Both are referenced as being a part of government, and this section is full of cpeling irers ivoryday. Sew watts yore point?

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apologeticsnow

Jan-09-13 4:21 PM

Em, when you say, "Leae it to Mr McGinnis to generate a lot of heat," First thank you for calling me by my name. Second, how do you know that it is not light that is being generated? I'm not looking to bring in heat to the discussion of the protection of children, the sanctity of life and problem of evil. "I notice he combines two issues, gun control and state supported religion, into one letter, confusing things and making a rather tenuous connection." The absence of good is evil. The mandated absence of second amendment sets people up to be in a vulnerable position. "Gun free zones" are more safe for criminals than for law abiding citizens. God free zone is a lack of good for evil to prosper in a variety of forms philosophically (the indoctrination of naturalism) morally (situational ethics, vlaues clarification and moral relativism and socially ( with the extreme taking place place at Sandy Hook). The absence of that which is good invites evil to re

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apologeticsnow

Jan-09-13 4:05 PM

MrFreeze, what exactly is the nature and content of the kind of counseling you recommend? Why is it needed? What is the problem? Who do you recomnend to do the counseling?

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apologeticsnow

Jan-09-13 1:33 PM

Emelye, I too like Loneriderrr1 agree with your 10: 48 AM statement.

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apologeticsnow

Jan-09-13 1:31 PM

Jazzie, Monkey judges me to be homophobic, bigoted, intolerant, extreme, etc. When you accused me of judging you, point out exactly from this thread the specific judgmental statement I made of you.

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